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Naughty Boi Nov 18, 2023 @ 1:22am
what are you supposed to do against tanky heroes?
so when strength heroes buy blademail,
spirit breaker
ogre magi
omni knight
what are you supposed to do?
you can't kill them with bkb, you can't kill them with any item or hero in the game easily, pa with divine rapier maybe can kill them, but only if she has bkb and enough attack speed and possibly a basher, meanwhile ogre just has one on the cheapest items in the game: blademail
i played this game for near 10 years, i haven't got a clue what is the solution.
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Abtin_kam Nov 18, 2023 @ 1:29am 
im god
Zagryzaec Nov 18, 2023 @ 1:41am 
Spirit vessel, percent based damage, armor reduction and phisical damage.
Naughty Boi Nov 18, 2023 @ 1:58am 
Originally posted by Zagryzaec:
Spirit vessel, percent based damage, armor reduction and phisical damage.
it's not really a hard counter, it kinda helps, but how many vessels can you buy and how many charges it has? especially on satus res sb
Zagryzaec Nov 18, 2023 @ 2:05am 
That's why I added - armor reduction and physical damage.

The more hp opponent have the more effective armor reduction becomes. It also reduce effect if blademail.

Get some slardar and pick them down permanently with high attack speed while tearing chunkz of their hp with massive armor reduction.
41 Nov 18, 2023 @ 2:07am 
Originally posted by Naughty Boi:

i played this game for near 10 years, i haven't got a clue what is the solution.

Dont hit them when BM is active. You can hit them and have no damage returned when BM is not active.

One optimal reason to use BM is when enemy is half health, the more you want to kill them fast, this gives them time to activate BM.

if they use BM while full health, its not optimal. Because you wont him them and no reason for you to hit them to death. Euls them mid timing when BM is active.

It is a team game. Bait them to use BM and then run away if BM is active.
Си́нтез Nov 18, 2023 @ 2:08am 
they gain health you gain attack
Dondu Nov 18, 2023 @ 2:09am 
str health gain and agi armor gain are the meta as of the moment, unless they get nerf next patch.... for now bara doesnt care about your dmg and dino still walking beside you LOL... as much as possible pick the meta hero always, they are called meta for a reason
Last edited by Dondu; Nov 18, 2023 @ 2:10am
Crits attack speeds and lifegain
pick timber
Hook King Nov 18, 2023 @ 4:28am 
im god
Originally posted by Naughty Boi:
so when strength heroes buy blademail,
spirit breaker
ogre magi
omni knight
what are you supposed to do?
you can't kill them with bkb, you can't kill them with any item or hero in the game easily, pa with divine rapier maybe can kill them, but only if she has bkb and enough attack speed and possibly a basher, meanwhile ogre just has one on the cheapest items in the game: blademail
i played this game for near 10 years, i haven't got a clue what is the solution.
Best counter to SB is map awareness, TPS, and communication.

If SB is not on map assume he is charging the worst positioning on your team.
Naughty Boi Nov 18, 2023 @ 5:57am 
I just know that spectre and spirit breaker and ogre magi straight up, bodied us, each from 3 to 5k hp, there was nothing we could do, they had too much damage that we couldn't even think what to do about their hp, especially sb
Originally posted by Naughty Boi:
I just know that spectre and spirit breaker and ogre magi straight up, bodied us, each from 3 to 5k hp, there was nothing we could do, they had too much damage that we couldn't even think what to do about their hp, especially sb
OFC spectre will body you late game.

You probably messed up LONG before the heroes were this 'broken problem that cant be dealt with'.

Want to beat SB?

WATCH THE MAP more and TP instantly. CALL MISSING on the pig. Spam it. Ping people who are out of place and say CAREFUL SB MISSING.
Naughty Boi Nov 18, 2023 @ 10:16am 
Originally posted by Prophylaxis:
Originally posted by Naughty Boi:
I just know that spectre and spirit breaker and ogre magi straight up, bodied us, each from 3 to 5k hp, there was nothing we could do, they had too much damage that we couldn't even think what to do about their hp, especially sb
OFC spectre will body you late game.

You probably messed up LONG before the heroes were this 'broken problem that cant be dealt with'.

Want to beat SB?

WATCH THE MAP more and TP instantly. CALL MISSING on the pig. Spam it. Ping people who are out of place and say CAREFUL SB MISSING.

my problem isn't being ganked, we can't take on fights, eventually you will face enemy heroes one way or another, how to kill them? obviously you 100% need bkb or you can't deal with blademail, and you can't really run away from them until their blademail ends, it's just not possible against spirit breaker, after you have bkb, what item gives you enough damage to deal with these heroes? there are no items designed in game to deal with 5k hp, even with rapier you can't really kill them easy, divine doesn't give you any stats, and if you want to keep adding items, it just means they are not balanced heroes because they just need one blademail and possibly not even a heart, they still can kill you, and tank your dmg, and they don't need any item, that's why this is the meta now, strength heroes with blademail, you can just buy 4 blademail in a team and what will happen? you can't counter it, blademail is just too cheap, they are just too tanky
Ario Nov 18, 2023 @ 10:48am 
Originally posted by Naughty Boi:
so when strength heroes buy blademail,
spirit breaker
ogre magi
omni knight
what are you supposed to do?
you can't kill them with bkb, you can't kill them with any item or hero in the game easily, pa with divine rapier maybe can kill them, but only if she has bkb and enough attack speed and possibly a basher, meanwhile ogre just has one on the cheapest items in the game: blademail
i played this game for near 10 years, i haven't got a clue what is the solution.
ty man...didnt had such a laugh in years...god bless u...xd
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Date Posted: Nov 18, 2023 @ 1:22am
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