Why does this game not have an integrated role declare?

[Firellius]

In SMITE, when you pick a god, you can also declare to your team what role you intend to fill with it. Why is this not in Dota? I want to be able to quickly and concisely see and tell what roles I and others intend to play.

[Zagryzaec]

There is an entire role rating mode that not only allows you to declare what role you want but distribute them and makes sure that team has the players for those roles they declared.

Other way is to put yourself into some lane on minimap.

And finally you have chat so you can declare whatever you want from your role to your pant size to both allies and enemies.

[76561198447988422]

Do you want to tell roles in normal mode? are you joke?

[AIR]

You can always talk to your team. Or just first phase pick supports. Or change your name to your desired role.

[Alpha Omega Pepega]

Originally posted by Firellius:

In SMITE, when you pick a god, you can also declare to your team what role you intend to fill with it. Why is this not in Dota? I want to be able to quickly and concisely see and tell what roles I and others intend to play.

you can. Just put your icon on the mini map. People are doing it for years already.

[Firellius]

Originally posted by Alpha Omega Pepega:

Originally posted by Firellius:

In SMITE, when you pick a god, you can also declare to your team what role you intend to fill with it. Why is this not in Dota? I want to be able to quickly and concisely see and tell what roles I and others intend to play.

you can. Just put your icon on the mini map. People are doing it for years already.

That doesn't always work though. I've had loads of people pick characters that don't naturally gravitate to a certain role and then not say what they're doing, leaving me confused over whether I'm playing core or support.

[Alpha Omega Pepega]

Originally posted by Firellius:

Originally posted by Alpha Omega Pepega:

you can. Just put your icon on the mini map. People are doing it for years already.

That doesn't always work though. I've had loads of people pick characters that don't naturally gravitate to a certain role and then not say what they're doing, leaving me confused over whether I'm playing core or support.

well yes. And how do you want it to be? First to pick gets the role? There is ranked role, if u want a specific role. If you are playing normal - its a casual mode. Dont expect everyone to cooperate .

[Firellius]

Originally posted by Alpha Omega Pepega:

Originally posted by Firellius:

That doesn't always work though. I've had loads of people pick characters that don't naturally gravitate to a certain role and then not say what they're doing, leaving me confused over whether I'm playing core or support.

well yes. And how do you want it to be? First to pick gets the role? There is ranked role, if u want a specific role. If you are playing normal - its a casual mode. Dont expect everyone to cooperate .

It's nothing to do with getting the role I want, and more with just... Communication. I want to know what role needs to be filled, and that just doesn't happen most of the time. A little icon or something to let others know what role you intend to play could help with that, as it did in Smite.

[76561199242904072]

in the past normal all pick didnt have ban, now it does... maybe adding role for normal all pick will come soon too.
i agree with Op, some teammates wont use chat in pick phase or just answer you too late before picking. it is a good idea

[Alpha Omega Pepega]

Originally posted by Firellius:

Originally posted by Alpha Omega Pepega:

well yes. And how do you want it to be? First to pick gets the role? There is ranked role, if u want a specific role. If you are playing normal - its a casual mode. Dont expect everyone to cooperate .

It's nothing to do with getting the role I want, and more with just... Communication. I want to know what role needs to be filled, and that just doesn't happen most of the time. A little icon or something to let others know what role you intend to play could help with that, as it did in Smite.

if any 2 players in the lobby will mark the same role, you will still be in the same situation. And thats pretty common for dota to have like 2 carry players and 2 midlaners in every none roles based game. So it really does not solve the problem.
And again, as i said. there is a minimap. People use it to show what role they want to play for years now.

[Late Game Wonder]

Originally posted by Firellius:

Originally posted by Alpha Omega Pepega:

you can. Just put your icon on the mini map. People are doing it for years already.

That doesn't always work though. I've had loads of people pick characters that don't naturally gravitate to a certain role and then not say what they're doing, leaving me confused over whether I'm playing core or support.

unfortunately normal game mode does not have that, ranked role queue has that, but normal and classic ranked and turbo etc does not.

On classic rank the players normally use the mini map to declare mid specially as that is highly contested role.
On normal, it kind of doesn't matter as much because the existence of solid roles is not that common in normal matches, almost always you end up with a team that is majority core heroes.
Same with turbo too

[tom tomorrow]

1. Learn to read the game
2. Learn to adapt.

Sometimes I'm playing a hero like Vengeful Spirit or Venomancer, intending to support, but the game goes in such a way that it's better for me to transition into a core.

The game isn't as rigid as it used to be. Sven, Naga Siren, and Weaver have spent time as some of the best supports in the game in the last twelve months. Jakiro, who has always traditionally been a support, is a very powerful core right now.

The only things that have really stayed consistent are the very top level hard carries. Your Life Stealers, Phantom Assassins, Dragon Knights, Spectres, etc. Most other roles have become fluid unless you're playing at the absolute top level where the meta actually matters.

And as others have said, there's a ranked roles mode. If you're not playing that then you can't expect people to cater to your needs or wants. Learn to read situations and adapt to them. It's the only way you'll survive in this game.

[vongogh]

Isn't it Ranked > Role Queue? Or you can just type it out in Chat. People may ignore it and pick the same role, but some people will do that even in Role Queue.

[381]

Originally posted by Firellius:

Originally posted by Alpha Omega Pepega:

you can. Just put your icon on the mini map. People are doing it for years already.

That doesn't always work though. I've had loads of people pick characters that don't naturally gravitate to a certain role and then not say what they're doing, leaving me confused over whether I'm playing core or support.

sound like ranked game with 5 cores xD support is for noobs lmao

[MVP_lCE™]

Originally posted by Firellius:

In SMITE, when you pick a god, you can also declare to your team what role you intend to fill with it. Why is this not in Dota? I want to be able to quickly and concisely see and tell what roles I and others intend to play.

Very easy. If a player has an "integrated" role, that causes many arguments. The integrated role could lead a player who registers for that to have limited choices during the "picking phase" for the heroes.

Thanks for reading and understanding.