role abuse

[Weakside Wictor]

how about punishing it?
Kinda tired of the Lina and Tiny supports

[mortacci]

so maybe you can support

[Weakside Wictor]

Originally posted by Conte Macetti:

so maybe you can support

And that will prevent people picking Tiny and Lina for support how?
Please don't comment without basic understanding of the game

[undefined]

In my opinion, since Valve made a bunch of buttons in the hero selection interface, they need to limit the character selection options. If a person plays a support position, he will be able to take only heroes placed in the "support" section and so on,and if he chose the conditional Lina, then he will be completely prohibited from buying core items, including aghanim and gleipnir, because I'm tired of watching how hard carries are picked in mid, how carries are picked in position 3, how carries are picked as supports, it's just awful... Well, if you want to play carry, sit in the queue for 5-10 minutes and pick whoever you want, what's the problem? But no, why wait... And it doesn't matter that you won't have enough farm on the map, it doesn't matter that your opponents will have 2 full-fledged supports who will give their cores buffs and saves and most likely you will lose, BUT YOU WILL LOSE PLAYING WITH PLEASURE, because being a support is NOT COOL, they just don't understand that being a support isn't just about placing wards and being on the lane near cores, because a lot depends on the supports.

[mortacci]

Originally posted by Spintovihn:

Originally posted by Conte Macetti:

so maybe you can support

And that will prevent people picking Tiny and Lina for support how?
Please don't comment without basic understanding of the game

probably yes since maybe they are not interested in supporting....

[mortacci]

and any way, they don't care to ban smurf and cheater, imagine the rest that are less important...lol.

[Vurleon]

Originally posted by undefined:

In my opinion, since Valve made a bunch of buttons in the hero selection interface, they need to limit the character selection options. If a person plays a support position, he will be able to take only heroes placed in the "support" section and so on,and if he chose the conditional Lina, then he will be completely prohibited from buying core items, including aghanim and gleipnir, because I'm tired of watching how hard carries are picked in mid, how carries are picked in position 3, how carries are picked as supports, it's just awful... Well, if you want to play carry, sit in the queue for 5-10 minutes and pick whoever you want, what's the problem? But no, why wait... And it doesn't matter that you won't have enough farm on the map, it doesn't matter that your opponents will have 2 full-fledged supports who will give their cores buffs and saves and most likely you will lose, BUT YOU WILL LOSE PLAYING WITH PLEASURE, because being a support is NOT COOL, they just don't understand that being a support isn't just about placing wards and being on the lane near cores, because a lot depends on the supports.

What a load of non-sense, dota is fare more complex than you can imagine. Sometimes, even supports must go core build, hence what you are saying is ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥.

[Vurleon]

What must be addressed is griefing/trolling. A proper punishment for these ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥.

[undefined]

Originally posted by Vurleon:

What a load of non-sense, dota is fare more complex than you can imagine. Sometimes, even supports must go core build, hence what you are saying is ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥.

"Sometimes" is how often? One match that lasted an hour, out of thousands of other matches, when the team lost at the 20th minute because they simply had nothing to fight with, because they had 5 greedy heroes on the team? If that's the case once, then you can really continue to tolerate core heroes and core builds on support positions in 9 out of 10 matches.

[76561198116650965]

Some of them do this intentionally to deranked themselves so don't give it a lot of thought they will use heroes that seldom to indirectly throw the game some of them are former highrank player or just stubborn people and not want to do their role anyway just enjoy the game!

[Weakside Wictor]

Originally posted by Vurleon:

What a load of non-sense, dota is fare more complex than you can imagine. Sometimes, even supports must go core build, hence what you are saying is ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥.

It's not that complex that you could forfeit a proper support that contests vision and supports your carry and not get trashed anywhere above 1k mmr by the simple difference of the fact that the enemy does that and you don't.

[Apøllo]

Role abuse is getting ridiculous, hard support picked Ember Spirit the other day. There needs to be harsher penalties for completely obvious role abuse.

[Absche]

As I expected from the introduction of the solo queue driven ranked roles mode, it prevented for years now any work on attractively balancing of the different roles. Demand roles are even more in demand than they were before the introduction of ranked roles. Less team responsibility, one more reason to hate and report each other. If they would at least done it like LoL, but probably too much pride to look like a plain copy cat.

[Weakside Wictor]

Originally posted by Absche:

As I expected from the introduction of the solo queue driven ranked roles mode, it prevented for years now any work on attractively balancing of the different roles. Demand roles are even more in demand than they were before the introduction of ranked roles. Less team responsibility, one more reason to hate and report each other. If they would at least done it like LoL, but probably too much pride to look like a plain copy cat.

It's kinda wild that lol doesn't have any of these problems, no one is forced to play support (usually) and still que pops, and nobody is playing Zed support.
Warding, dusting and pulling is just a chore nobody wants to put up with in this game because it's not fun, it feels like doing your 9 to 5 job.

[20250525(Will)]

Originally posted by undefined:

In my opinion, since Valve made a bunch of buttons in the hero selection interface, they need to limit the character selection options. If a person plays a support position, he will be able to take only heroes placed in the "support" section and so on,and if he chose the conditional Lina, then he will be completely prohibited from buying core items, including aghanim and gleipnir, because I'm tired of watching how hard carries are picked in mid, how carries are picked in position 3, how carries are picked as supports, it's just awful... Well, if you want to play carry, sit in the queue for 5-10 minutes and pick whoever you want, what's the problem? But no, why wait... And it doesn't matter that you won't have enough farm on the map, it doesn't matter that your opponents will have 2 full-fledged supports who will give their cores buffs and saves and most likely you will lose, BUT YOU WILL LOSE PLAYING WITH PLEASURE, because being a support is NOT COOL, they just don't understand that being a support isn't just about placing wards and being on the lane near cores, because a lot depends on the supports.

Supports can't win the game without proper cores. Even buffed like hell by a good support, fully slotted. Cores can't win the game without support. because if they are doing the support job, they will be far behind their enemy core.

You can choose to play core or support, there is no difference.

you can't win 1 v 9.
You can't win 2 v 8
You can't win 3 v 7
you can't win 4 v 6
you hardly can win 5v5.

Why your winrate is < 50% ? Why your winrate is > 50% ?

Who is matched with who, against who, with what frequency. That's the real answer.

With a perfect matchmaker, you'll be at 50% if you play consistently the same. That's a lot of "IF"

With a rigged matchmaker you'll be at whatever the developer wants whenever it wants.

If you are unpredictable and you still lose / win with clear patterns, lets say the matchmaker is rigged.

If you are consistently playing and have a consistent winrate < 45% lets say there is no player worse than you OR the matchmaker is rigged.
Look at replays, look at random matchs at random ranks.
See objectively if there is no player worse than you.

And you'll conclude. There is always a way to expose truth. Because the truth can't be hidden forever. it's only permitted for some times, to see how people will behave, while they believe they can act without beeing punished.

On your subject : You have role abuse report. That will not give you 50 mmr back.
And they will not be punished. and you'll just lose this match without any pleasure. as usual. and it's no longer a "game". Welcome to rank.

[undefined]

Originally posted by G.H.F:

Supports can't win the game without proper cores. Even buffed like hell by a good support, fully slotted. Cores can't win the game without support. because if they are doing the support job, they will be far behind their enemy core.

You can choose to play core or support, there is no difference.

you can't win 1 v 9.
You can't win 2 v 8
You can't win 3 v 7
you can't win 4 v 6
you hardly can win 5v5.

Why your winrate is < 50% ? Why your winrate is > 50% ?

Who is matched with who, against who, with what frequency. That's the real answer.

With a perfect matchmaker, you'll be at 50% if you play consistently the same. That's a lot of "IF"

With a rigged matchmaker you'll be at whatever the developer wants whenever it wants.

If you are unpredictable and you still lose / win with clear patterns, lets say the matchmaker is rigged.

If you are consistently playing and have a consistent winrate < 45% lets say there is no player worse than you OR the matchmaker is rigged.
Look at replays, look at random matchs at random ranks.
See objectively if there is no player worse than you.

And you'll conclude. There is always a way to expose truth. Because the truth can't be hidden forever. it's only permitted for some times, to see how people will behave, while they believe they can act without beeing punished.

On your subject : You have role abuse report. That will not give you 50 mmr back.
And they will not be punished. and you'll just lose this match without any pleasure. as usual. and it's no longer a "game". Welcome to rank.

This is not about the system of selecting players for teams, but about the distribution of roles within the team. If in one team a support pulls creeps, makes stacks for his carry, brings him consumables, exchanges resources with the enemy support and sets up kills on the line, giving them to his carry, in the mid game this support will have slots for save and buff carry, in addition to them he will have suitable abilities to help his carry, conditional removal of debuffs from him, healing, increasing attack speed and so on, and the other team will have a support who does not pull, does not make stacks, he has 0 resources on the line, he stands AFK and watches how his carry plays on the line 2 in 1, occasionally pressing his buttons, after which he again goes behind the tree to regenerate mana, after the laning stage he will go to farm the forest to buy a Maelstrom, so that later he can farm again, as a result he did not give his carry a good start, he did not develop his good start with stacks, in midgame he doesn't buff or save his carry in any way, and at the same time, since he's going to be a core, he doesn't have slots or damage, this team has 2 cores who are weaker than the opponents' 1 core. What do you think, which team's carry will be stronger by the 35th minute? That's why even if your carry is inferior to the enemy's carry in terms of personal skill, you as a support can make it so that he has an advantage over him in networth, which the enemy carry simply won't have time to reduce and return to the game.