Why BKB?

[TsudaTumiko]

What is the fun of using q hero and always do the same items again and again? PA with no BKB is t.ras.h for example, why there are no alternatives?
BKB has been the issue of this game after 6.32b it was fun to play back in the day and have many options to build a hero not just the same items or you get reported, I understand BKB is a must but that doesn't make the game fun, back in the day we don't have so many spells and w behave many passives, hell there were heroes with just one skill ( Leorick).

Bkb should be a one time item use dropped by Roshan.

I have been there since old 5.84b, 20 years ago and I can tell you bkb is the most boring thing dota has, it becomes worse with every new skill heroes are getting by inner or ecepter skills.


Also the same issue with dagger, tell me the day you see an axe with no dagger or Magnus?

I think dots devs should start hiring game play designers instead of artist to design skins.

[MVP_lCE™]

Originally posted by TsudaTumiko:

Originally posted by MVP_lCE™:

BKB talk, but when talk about BKB for PA, I disagree that PA essentially means with BKB because she is still a good hero with Manta Style when there are few supportive teammates around during any team-gank. She is very good to battle certain heroes if she manages to skip the BKB and rush for another core item that necessary during the countermeasure strategy such as PA aims for early game BF and MKB can flip her into a role that helpful in the team to kill an annoying WR who pro in blasting the thundering during the team battles.

There are many situations where BKB can be skipped. Many players always play the BKB for PA because that item could provide good magic resistance and it blocks many spells with the immunity to debuff too. Thus, that becomes a culture of playing and the players keep focusing on BKB when they select and pick PA to be the core carry for the team. However, certain professionals who used to play in single playing or solo gaming turn the PA into their own styles and when their teammates failed to cooperate their PA, conflicts happened there.

During the past, when I was playing my PA, sometimes I used her for essential role in countermeasure some opponents only, and I never play as the core carry. Many games before, I played PA for many times and I like to use her as core carry who have to bear the front initiation. If your hero requires to bear some initials, BKB can play a good item.

If you speak about reworking of BKB, I prefer this item to be reworked into 2 separated items where first BKB can be used to resisting some physical damaging, and another can be used to resisting some magic damaging which means BKB can be combined into a better item by terms of physical and magical purposes with cheaper costs for respectively, and lower power of resisting first. Otherwise, many players always think this BKB will need to play big role when it comes to a situation because when the "amount" played is too high, the role is more essential.

Conclusion? The amount played for the item is important to be reviewed. Sometimes, I did have thought about the Divine Rapier item too by separating the item into few parts (lower gold costs) and much lower damaging first. The Divine Rapier seems too expensive already.

Regards,
MVP_lCE

there is no way, you will see a PA in ancient with bkb, even less in a tournament, why? becaues bkb is mandatory in every game, is a design flaw.

Did you mean the BKB plays too much impact when it is "made" and "vice-versa"?

[RedLeaf™]

Originally posted by MVP_lCE™:

BKB talk, but when talk about BKB for PA, I disagree that PA essentially means with BKB because she is still a good hero with Manta Style when there are few supportive teammates around during any team-gank. She is very good to battle certain heroes if she manages to skip the BKB and rush for another core item that necessary during the countermeasure strategy such as PA aims for early game BF and MKB can flip her into a role that helpful in the team to kill an annoying WR who pro in blasting the thundering during the team battles.

There are many situations where BKB can be skipped. Many players always play the BKB for PA because that item could provide good magic resistance and it blocks many spells with the immunity to debuff too. Thus, that becomes a culture of playing and the players keep focusing on BKB when they select and pick PA to be the core carry for the team. However, certain professionals who used to play in single playing or solo gaming turn the PA into their own styles and when their teammates failed to cooperate their PA, conflicts happened there.

During the past, when I was playing my PA, sometimes I used her for essential role in countermeasure some opponents only, and I never play as the core carry. Many games before, I played PA for many times and I like to use her as core carry who have to bear the front initiation. If your hero requires to bear some initials, BKB can play a good item.

If you speak about reworking of BKB, I prefer this item to be reworked into 2 separated items where first BKB can be used to resisting some physical damaging, and another can be used to resisting some magic damaging which means BKB can be combined into a better item by terms of physical and magical purposes with cheaper costs for respectively, and lower power of resisting first. Otherwise, many players always think this BKB will need to play big role when it comes to a situation because when the "amount" played is too high, the role is more essential.

Conclusion? The amount played for the item is important to be reviewed. Sometimes, I did have thought about the Divine Rapier item too by separating the item into few parts (lower gold costs) and much lower damaging first. The Divine Rapier seems too expensive already.

Regards,
MVP_lCE

This guy hasn't played dota in years and is posing off as an informed player critic. LOL.

[Louffe]

No need to beat around the bush with long posts. BKB on PA is kinda mandatory because of Blade Mail. Nothing more, nothing less.

Nevertheless, it is not the only solution. Satanic is another one. A dispel with lifesteal and a bit more HP instead of debuff immunity and magic resistance. That is the trade off.

Also the trade off made by many agility heroes with Manta. Manta or BKB, rarely both.
Most games do not require braces and belt.

[TsudaTumiko]

Originally posted by RedLeaf™:

20 years of Dota and you still think bkb is boring. lol. Please, quit Dota. You're probably that person who others can't counted on to make a useful decision.

This is the most useless argument i've heard from players that are generally trash.
20 years and you still haven't figured how to play around heroes wielding bkbs. hopeless.

Said the guy providing no argumentation and just insulting people for an opinion.

This is the problem of 6 years old positing on steam, I never said I have issues dealing vs BKB or that I don't used it, it is in my build almost 80% of the time, what I am discussing here is the design flaw of bkb, little boy

[TsudaTumiko]

Originally posted by Kagami:

Originally posted by TsudaTumiko:

What is the fun of using q hero and always do the same items again and again? PA with no BKB is t.ras.h for example, why there are no alternatives?
BKB has been the issue of this game after 6.32b it was fun to play back in the day and have many options to build a hero not just the same items or you get reported, I understand BKB is a must but that doesn't make the game fun, back in the day we don't have so many spells and w behave many passives, hell there were heroes with just one skill ( Leorick).

Bkb should be a one time item use dropped by Roshan.

I have been there since old 5.84b, 20 years ago and I can tell you bkb is the most boring thing dota has, it becomes worse with every new skill heroes are getting by inner or ecepter skills.


Also the same issue with dagger, tell me the day you see an axe with no dagger or Magnus?

I think dots devs should start hiring game play designers instead of artist to design skins.

With all due respect but why do you post this after you lose to PA with bkb in your last game literally before you make this thread ?? 😂😂

It just makes people think you make a this post because you are angry and emotional. Not because of logical thinking .. 😅

I don't play PA since many years ago, because it is boring :), also I am not native English so my wording may be not the best, my critique is over high level play when bkb is a must, not necessarily play around skill.

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[Danaie]

can anyone tell me what's the point on this thread?

[Dinsdale]

Originally posted by Danaie:

can anyone tell me what's the point on this thread?

The usual sad dota noises.

[Danaie]

dudes crying about bkb on pa saying it's boring yet there are wards, heroes, skills, items to counter someone before bkb is used and as far as I know bkb doesnt last for 30-45 minutes...

[Artek [General]]

Originally posted by Danaie:

dudes crying about bkb on pa saying it's boring yet there are wards, heroes, skills, items to counter someone before bkb is used and as far as I know bkb doesnt last for 30-45 minutes...

I mean... He has a point. I hate making BKB, such a boring ass item to make. But... You just need it on most carries, simple ass. Otherwise you die from 5 stuns and 2000 magic damage coming in from all directions. It is what it is.

I wish we had more options though. I also wish BKB could be upgraded into a superior item. Maybe using a Reaver. Would act as indirect buff to STR carries, which are just not meta these days.

[TsudaTumiko]

Originally posted by Kagami:

Originally posted by TsudaTumiko:

I don't play PA since many years ago, because it is boring :), also I am not native English so my wording may be not the best, my critique is over high level play when bkb is a must, not necessarily play around skill.

You make this post on the forum 16 hours ago after you just lost a game against a PA in enemy team with BKB 😂😂

Come on bro, you are emotional after losing not because you care about PA or BKB balance. Lmao.

look for my profile in dota buff, I dont use pa from a long, very long time.

[ganjafiut]

necessary evil

[Last_in_line]

Yes, I understand what you are writing about. I also had similar feelings about BKB. This is an item that is almost always bought, this item is good on almost everyone. I also dislike it for some clumsiness and casualness. I myself almost never buy it and try to avoid it as much as possible. Although there are several heroes on whom I almost always buy it, for example Enigma. Buying it on many other heroes - causes a feeling akin to disgust, as if I choose a roundabout way, the easiest one, the path of least resistance. As if there is no choice and my idea in this, but I took someone's ready-made template.
But! You can look at BKB with different eyes. This item is unique in its own way, this item gives the game a macro level. Like - to force the enemy to press BKB, or play from the cooldown of BKB. There is its own beauty in this.
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[D4C]

you can stun until you dead without bkb on game.slow stun,this game which side got more cc they have more chance to win.you dont like bkb,want it deleted.sure,deleted 90% of all cc in this game,or make them massive less effect.or els just shut up and buy it

[GreatGreyShark]

Hey I was wondering...does octarine affects bkb amd rosh?