RAMPANT CHEATING

[Master Baiter]

I don't know what changed but in the past few days I have been seeing TONS of people just blatantly and obviously cheating. Using abilities they don't have, or items they don't have, or forcing all my abilities into cooldown when i attack them. I have seen people being completely immune to attacks or abilities without using any kind of spellblock like bkb or lotus. Then when I point it out I get reported and put into low priority.

[Cheeseburger Walrus]

Proof with match id? Otherwise you're talking wank.

[shacram]

Originally posted by RoMEJA:

Proof with match id? Otherwise you're talking wank.

Let's be honest if OP did provide match ids you wouldn't bother watching them.

[AsH]

Sounds like neutral item usage, teammates casting their items on said hero, and Faceless Void's second ability which prolongs cooldown on abilities. Also, status resistance which reduces time under said effects, as well as Ghost Scepter and Ethereal Blade that prevents physical attacks but increases magical damage. Troll Warlord and Ursa ultimates too.

[Axecop]

Either what Ion said or a custom game. Never heard of this in my near 7k hours on the game.

[Master Baiter]

If I gave match ID's you would not watch and simply come back with "gitgud" etc useless nonsense. As far as i'm concerned anyone who is going to flat-out deny that cheating exists is most likely a cheater themselves, or else too bad at the game to know what is possible and what is not with normal items and abilities. If you really don't understand the game it can seem like people can do damn near anything, but they can't.

I will give some examples. In a match where I had Mirana, I repeatedly fired my stun arrows at a guy playing Bristleback. The arrow would simply disappear right before hitting him, having no effect whatsoever. He had no items to nullify it, status resist is not a factor since that would only reduce the stun time and not completely cancel the attack. Void was not in the game at all. And this happens all through the game, from very early until late game, also I don't think any neutrals would completely cancel it like that, especially none that he could have had early game. Later in the game I saw his health bar+icon walking past me in the jungle but his character was invisible. No invisibility items or abilities do that. He walked right by me as if he didn't think I could see him, and went to attack a team mate.

Another game Bounty Hunter appeared to blink onto me, when he appeared there was an explosion that stunned me and did like 50% damage. I looked at his items and he had no blink, no abyssal, none of the new blinks, no neutrals at all, and there was nobody on his team who can teleport him.

In another game there was a Juggernaut who was completely dominating the game, he constantly had clones even early game, and he seemed to be able to switch between his clones like spectre does. No manta, and sorry but you can't just always have the clone runes when you want through the whole match. Any time I would attack him, all my abilities would instantly go on cooldown without having used them, and the cooldown would restart as soon as it ended, so I could never use abilities against him at all. No void in the game at all.

In another game there was a Witch Doctor who always knows exactly where I am. Once another guy on me team nearly killed him, with 1 hit left he walked away towards the jungle. I was intercepting him from up the stairs. He had no wards, I watched the replay. Right before I get to the stairs, he turned around and walked back towards Legion who nearly killed him already, he walked past a tree to disappear from my view (keep in mind he still could not see me coming), then he walked around the tree, went back again, went in between 2 trees, then back towards me. By this time I was coming down the stairs but I had lost sight of him. Then he walked back around the tree again, behind me, up the stairs, around behind Legion, killed legion, then circled back around the other way and killed me. This all without having any way of even knowing I was there. On the replay using his view, I never appeared on his screen or his minimap the entire time, but he manuvered perfectly around me outside of my view as if he had perfect visibility on me and some kind of indicator to know exactly what I could see and what I could not see. He had no wards, no team mates in the area, no gem, no invisibility. Just perfect manuvering and appearently psychic powers.

In another game as Death Prophet there was a Pudge who was immune to all my abilities, even very early game, with no items at all for immunity or spell resist. It was as if he had a permanent BKB but without the animation, and no duration limit or cooldown. I simply could not damage him with any abilities. Basic attacks did some damage, but it was nearly impossible to kill him unless the whole team piled on because abilities were useless against him. And in this game I was mid, and I started out dominating the game. I had several levels advantage, high damage, plenty of mana. In any normal game I would swatted him like a fly. But I attacked and nothing happened. He didn't attempt to run, just stood there taking no damage at all and then killed me. And kept doing it to everyone on the team. And pretty soon even though it started with our team dominating, this pudge comes out of nowhere damn near impossible to kill, and there is no explaination for how he was immune to our abilities.

That's just a few examples, but this kind of crap seems to be in almost every match lately. And I have thousands of hours in this game. I have completed the all heroes challenge multiple times. I know what every character can and can't do. I know what every item, and every neutral can and can't do. So you can make up excuses all you want about how it's probably all Void and bkb or some neutral, it's not. That's why in the past week I have had 4 people banned from reporting cheaters. I'm pretty sure Valve would not be banning them if I'm wrong.

[AsH]

I was merely suggesting possible legitimate causes. After hearing your accounts of those individuals, it does sound probable they were up to no good. One can only report them, in-game and on Steam, and hope they get picked up in the massive ban purges that sweep by every once in a while.

[Duchess Minty]

Just post a match id, typing out a wall that is basically saying "just trust me bro" doesn't really work here. Not asking you to name and shame but now I'm just curious.

[Master Baiter]

I have no problem with naming and shaming cheaters, but that would only get the thread deleted or locked. I also _would_ have no problem with showing the match IDs, but I know from experience the only result that can possibly come from that is a bunch of cheaters trying to cover for other cheaters making up ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ excuses for what happened, and then a bunch of noobs who didn't even watch it hopping on the "gitgud" train to pretend they are better than me by claiming i'm too stupid to know how they did that. It's pointless. I didn't make this thread for people to nitpick my gameplay. I made it to point out the rampant cheating that seems to have gotten much worse over the past week or so. I don't think anyone who actually plays this game legitimately, who doesn't cheat, and who does understand the game mechanics, can deny that.

[Duchess Minty]

I've seen plenty of people claim someone was cheating only for there to be a rational explanation after watching at least part of the replay, you'd be surprised.

[BossGalaga]

Originally posted by Atlas Frog:

If I gave match ID's you would not watch and simply come back with "gitgud" etc useless nonsense. As far as i'm concerned anyone who is going to flat-out deny that cheating exists is most likely a cheater themselves, or else too bad at the game to know what is possible and what is not with normal items and abilities. If you really don't understand the game it can seem like people can do damn near anything, but they can't.

Cheats exist in Dota 2 like they exist in pretty much every online game ever. No one is claiming that cheats don't exist but claiming that they're "rampant" is suspect. They're questioning your claims that players are "hacking" items and abilities. Yes, if YOU don't understand the game it can seem like players are cheating, when they aren't. I've seen users on this forum constantly and repeatedly claiming other players were cheating when they didn't understand basic game mechanics and items and abilities.

There are client-side cheats and exploits but you're describing "cheats" for things that are controlled server-side. You're playing in sub-1k mmr so it's more likely that you don't understand the game mechanics than it is that someone has hacked the Steam servers.

[Master Baiter]

Originally posted by Lady Mint:

I've seen plenty of people claim someone was cheating only for there to be a rational explanation after watching at least part of the replay, you'd be surprised.

Yeah so have I. I have been wrong before myself after watching the replay. But in the past week it has gotten much worse. Most of these people don't even try to appear legit anymore. Like that Jugg seeming to use Spectre's ulti. It's obvious and they don't even care, like they no longer even care if they are banned. I don't know what changed with the rules or enforcement in the past week, but whatever it is people seem to think it's a free-for-all on hacking now.

[2D > 3D WEEB 4 LIFE]

The only rampant form of cheating I've seen is scripting. There's "only" a few or so scripters in my matches every week but the amount of people blatantly scripting in the cases I view is about one every day.

[Duchess Minty]

Originally posted by Atlas Frog:

Like that Jugg seeming to use Spectre's ulti.

Okay now I wanna see this.

[Master Baiter]

Originally posted by BossGalaga:

You're playing in sub-1k mmr so it's more likely that you don't understand the game mechanics than it is that someone has hacked the Steam servers.

I'm playing in sub-1k because of cheaters. I was on a 16 game winning streak recently, and after that every single game I've had has been overrun with cheaters and griefers. Like I said with the cheaters it's everything from being immune to abilities, to psychic-level perfect manuvering around my visibility without having any way to know i'm there, or using abilities they don't have. The griefers will intentionally feed 0-20 then go afk. Or they will buy shadowblade, then stand near a tower in the trees invisible and just not play. Or they will use their abilities against our own team. It's impossible to get your mmr up when every game consists of enemies cheating and your own team griefing. I might as well not be playing at all because nothing I can do will change the outcome of games like that.

[Deepbluediver]

I don't believe you. Give me a match-ID and a timestamp of when the alleged cheating occurred, and I'll watch it. If I'm wrong, I'll apologize.

'Cause 99% of accusations of cheating that I've seen are just people being bad or not understand the game's mechanics. (i.e. juking is a thing, blink hooks are thing, manta-dispels and armlet-toggling are both things, etc etc etc)