Bloodstone or Heart of Tarrasque for Axe?

[Boo Seta]

And why?

(ps: I'm a newbie, I play Axe on Lane for now)

[Spoops]

Those items won't though. Yes, please by all means don't just stick to what the builds say - there is no point in just arbitrarily buying things without thinking about how they benefit the hero / game you're playing.

Just because you won a game with those items, doesn't mean they're sensible pickups.

Radiance and Bloodstone you can kind of see the logic there but they don't really make sense - what is the Manta doing there?

[Josh Hutcherson]

Heart gives: Damage, Massive HP Regen (Without reliance on Kills)
Bloodstone gives: Mana Regen, HP Regen, Deny

It honestly depends on the game. If you're Snowballing, need Mana or need the deny, take Bloodstone. However, Heart will usually be the better choice.

[Spoops]

Bloodstone gives you far more mana than you will ever need, it's wasted.

[t3clis]

Heart. Axe is tank and does low damage, heart makes him tanky and increases his damage.
Bloodstone's active is the last thing you want on a tank character, you will waste the mana regeneration, plus in late teamfights axe usually gets ignored in favor of targeting squishier heroes, and bloodstone heal of your teammates when you die won't see a lot of use. Blade mail raises your intelligence and makes you a better tank, and if you want to hp regen while helping your team, build a Vanguard into a Crimson Guard.

[winter wyvern practice]

bloodstone, also get a battlefury if possible too

[Kimber Prime]

I'm seeing different opinions about BF Axe. I personally don't play Axe but why do people think it's great/horrible?

[YoNgLei]

Heart donk

[LSD]

Kimber Prime původně napsal:

I'm seeing different opinions about BF Axe. I personally don't play Axe but why do people think it's great/horrible?

It's strong because the cleave is applied to his helix, allowing it to deal damage in an area.

[Spoops]

LSD původně napsal:

Kimber Prime původně napsal:

I'm seeing different opinions about BF Axe. I personally don't play Axe but why do people think it's great/horrible?

It's strong because the cleave is applied to his helix, allowing it to deal damage in an area.

Pretty sure it's not - you get the cleave on autoattacks.

[Spoops]

Katty původně napsal:

bloodstone, also get a battlefury if possible too

Both are bad.

[76561198141797209]

HoT indeed

his 2nd skill is buffed, thats mean u dont need mana regeneration item

if u need mana, just buy aghanim

[Spoops]

dotax'ed howlingjedi původně napsal:

its not about winning one game with such items, its about considering what is the best choice amogst all the items available for your hero...its about experimenting more than the standard builds...its about not having a boring game...its about flipping the enemy with something totally unexpected and hard to counter...

Milky původně napsal:

Those items won't though. Yes, please by all means don't just stick to what the builds say - there is no point in just arbitrarily buying things without thinking about how they benefit the hero / game you're playing.

Just because you won a game with those items, doesn't mean they're sensible pickups.

Radiance and Bloodstone you can kind of see the logic there but they don't really make sense - what is the Manta doing there?

Read what I actually said.

Do something different to the builds, yes. But spending that much gold on Axe for the mana regen is just wasted, and the other team will not be 'flipped' they will laugh at you and rightly so. It's a bad item on him.

As for Radiance - unless you get that VERY early on it's a bad item on anyone. Doing so on Axe will delay your blink, making you useless.

[corbet]

LSD původně napsal:

Kimber Prime původně napsal:

I'm seeing different opinions about BF Axe. I personally don't play Axe but why do people think it's great/horrible?

It's strong because the cleave is applied to his helix, allowing it to deal damage in an area.

battle fury is horrible on axe for a few reasons.

with only 2 stout shields axe can proxy farm behind towers from level 1 and beyond with out ever needing to leave to heal. most times you can kill enemeis in this stage as they have no where to run. and this goes over into late game. he clears waves in a few seconds just from his e passive, all he has to do is tank the wave which is easy.

i would prefer radiance if you wanted more damage. chasing people down with battle hunger plus radiance can be effective, you won't have to chase them for long. also blade mail is another one if you wanted to increase your damage out put. but blade mail works better with high hp, but then again blade mail is easily countered by enemies not hitting you.

[Spoops]

el nino původně napsal:

LSD původně napsal:

It's strong because the cleave is applied to his helix, allowing it to deal damage in an area.

battle fury is horrible on axe for a few reasons.

with only 2 stout shields axe can proxy farm behind towers from level 1 and beyond with out ever needing to leave to heal. most times you can kill enemeis in this stage as they have no where to run. and this goes over into late game. he clears waves in a few seconds just from his e passive, all he has to do is tank the wave which is easy.

i would prefer radiance if you wanted more damage. chasing people down with battle hunger plus radiance can be effective, you won't have to chase them for long. also blade mail is another one if you wanted to increase your damage out put. but blade mail works better with high hp, but then again blade mail is easily countered by enemies not hitting you.

If you get radiance at a point where it's still useful, you don't have your blink. Given that Axe falls off a little later (around the time when radiance is useless in general), what are you going to contribute to that game?

[Baumi]

Tranquil Boots > Blink Dagger > Blade Mail or Aghanim's Scepter > Bloodstone

I always go Tranquils first, then Blink right after. Tranquils give you 4 armor and is nice for regen after you killed the wave, harrassed/killed enemy heroes. Blink Dagger - I think we all know why. Blade Mail I build only when I see that enemy heroes deal more damage than usual, whereas I have a hard time to kill them fast with Culling Blade. After that i go for straight Aghanim's, for the higher kill-threshold, stats and cooldown reduction. Bloodstone is a must, if you play Axe like I do. The more heroes you kill, the more charges you get = infinite mana and fast respawn and ally heal in late game, also you can deny yourself if really needed. Heart is situational, so is Vanguard. If you have to fight high damage dealers e.g. Phantom Assassin, maybe a Heaven's Halberd is your friend.

EDIT: And I am talking about offlane Axe. Axe in jungle just sucks.