Faceless Void OP?

[weird fj from beyond]

faceless void most broken hero in the game impossible to counter, please allow bkb to block chronosphere otherwise faceless void is the most broken hero in the game so far

[EnStorEn]

HyunGooie původně napsal:

Cause like other heros, you can pop bkb if you get stunned and you're fine

Except there are spells that stun through bkb. And items. And there is superior magic. Have you even played the game...

[76561198078917864]

HyunGooie původně napsal:

But my concern is that if you get caught in teh sphere then what?

Then as you said,faceless void is OP.

I once remember there was a pro ursa(Pro ursa...get the joke??) in our team.

He was 32-0.

But then the enemy team's void came along with 2 battlefuries and mask of madness and killed our entire team.

We won the game,but the underfarmed void could easily take on overfed ursa in the chrono.

Also mkb is supposed to make your attacks never miss,but this does not work on void.

[Maou]

doom, wk, (late) - easy breezy. invo, ta, axe etc (early-mid). good antimage, legion. items - scythe, orchid. and dont tell me about bkb, if void farm bkb first he's pretty much useless and has no dmg.

[C-LOS N Y C]

invoker is great for chrono. u can tornado him out of it FORCING HIM to get a BKB. Hes just like sven and other heroes with aoe disable, stay separated in a teamfight and silence him or disable him first. if he pops mask of madness, you do know, he takes like 30 percent more Damage right?

[76561198078917864]

Maou původně napsal:

doom, wk, (late) - easy breezy. invo, ta, axe etc (early-mid). good antimage, legion. items - scythe, orchid. and dont tell me about bkb, if void farm bkb first he's pretty much useless and has no dmg.

In a straight up fight,anyone good melee hero can fight and own void.

The problem starts when the chrono comes into play.

[MoraedoN]

since you so earnest for your goal then let me give you my thought on "how FV is NOT broken" and assuming there's no big gap difference between gold, EXP and skill of the players

1. His skills does not contain any burst damage nor active/spam debuffer
So the only thing to do is get overly fat with gold and buy yourself a heavy damage item
which usually takes about 30-40 mnts (assuming your team doesn't get wiped out too often)
2. Even when he's farmed up, FV can only target 1 hero
Yes only 1 hero per Cronos (even you buy BF+Daedalus, the splash is not enough to kill 1500++ HP heroes)
3. After he used his combo of Timewalk+Cronos, your only choice is to run the nearest targets and hit them in the face
Which easily counter by numbers of disable items and skills
4. CAREFUL!!! WRONG CRONOS
Yes i wrote it in caps, coz even for vets player, putting a proper Cronos is quite hard. And if you fail, may God mercy on your soul
5. "But Cronos can be worked perfectly with other area skills and SS"
Yes but still it's a limited option, after all that kind of strategy is hardly worked against experienced players. They know and they will notice if you have Cronos combo, thus they (100%) will split apart
6. Backtrack stacks with evasion perfectly
But dear child do you even look FV's HP at lvl 16? If you go BKB then goodbye Butterfly and if you go for Butterfly good bye BKB and if you go both then your enemy team probably have (at least) 1 sheep sticks and numbers of disable items

And the final point:
7. "whatever dude FV is so OP at late game that he can solo entire team"
Does he? assuming you play with other experienced players with gold and EXP equally same. The FV is still too fragile and too weak to kick ass entire team, the best choice is to aim the most annoying enemy hero and pray god the rests are not there to disable you.

conclusion, FV maybe quite OP in pub game or for player who has little experience of playing dota. But in MMR or against experienced player, FV is not OP and easy to counter. Hell i even happy when enemy choose FV for their only carry

PS: Yes my English is bad, i don't need you to point that ;)

[Deadweight]

Aand Eater PhD původně napsal:

Maou původně napsal:

doom, wk, (late) - easy breezy. invo, ta, axe etc (early-mid). good antimage, legion. items - scythe, orchid. and dont tell me about bkb, if void farm bkb first he's pretty much useless and has no dmg.

In a straight up fight,anyone good melee hero can fight and own void.

The problem starts when the chrono comes into play.

Then don't get chrono'd. If you aren't trying to 1v1 him, it really isn't a problem.

[WhereIsOtto？]

try invoker to counter fv...trust me ..that will work in chrono or in lane....

[weird fj from beyond]

fair enough I guess there are some viable counters, I'll admit I did overreact cause i was on tilt because I've been going up against Faceless void almost every game now, and it's become frustrating and my MMR is becoming ♥♥♥♥. I guess Faceless Void is very squishy, but he can evade ALOT of attacks. And like someone said early Faceless Void can destroy anyone in a chrono, that doesnt seem fair to me. Also that "stun" if you will isnt short, so he has plenty of time to just bash your face in, although i do hear alot of counters like doom, and invoker (a really good one now that you guys mention it) I still believe Faceless Void is pretty OP.

[weird fj from beyond]

Bob, honestly are you stupid? Like how dumb can you be? I know certain spells go through BKB, which is clearly why I stated I want BKB to go through chrono. Are you so narrow minded that you can't see I'm talking specifically about stuns such as Concotion from Alch, stormhammer from sven, etc. I'm talking about those specific strong and reliable carries. Clearly you have the mindset of a 12 year old, isn't it your bed time?

[WhereIsOtto？]

HyunGooie původně napsal:

fair enough I guess there are some viable counters, I'll admit I did overreact cause i was on tilt because I've been going up against Faceless void almost every game now, and it's become frustrating and my MMR is becoming ♥♥♥♥. I guess Faceless Void is very squishy, but he can evade ALOT of attacks. And like someone said early Faceless Void can destroy anyone in a chrono, that doesnt seem fair to me. Also that "stun" if you will isnt short, so he has plenty of time to just bash your face in, although i do hear alot of counters like doom, and invoker (a really good one now that you guys mention it) I still believe Faceless Void is pretty OP.

maybe u r right...fv quite op in team fight and 1v1 but fv teamate nid to bought some time for fv farming his core....so u only got 3 way to choose
1. fast end the game
2. keep the eye on fv and gank it
3. pick counter hero such as sniper, invoker, bane, viper and etc

[tyrannicalTeabagger]

Hero is as OP as the person who plays it. No hero is inherently overpowered.

[Telemnar]

Faceless void needs his Chronosphere to win a teamfight. The reality is that a hero like faceless does not have a hard counter in form of a hero. You need to counter faceless by picking a combination of skills and items, and really watch where you're walking. I like sniper as a semi-hard counter, as he's always outside of the teamfight and can safely engage. The faceless has a choice to make then, either chrono a single sniper -> not worth it or chrono the 4 man team -> worth it. However, when he chronos all of their team, he'll be permabashed by a farmed sniper -> worthless chrono. The trick there is, that you need a farmed sniper with attack speed for a permabash, and you need a sniper with half a brain to make sure he's always OUTSIDE the teamfight. But then again, when playing against a chrono, you win when you make sure you do NOT get inside the chrono. The only thing I might find broken about faceless is his backtrack, but he will never build any form of HP, so if youre lucky and you hit finger of death, he dies.

edit - This works only if you do not feed the whole game, and youre still fighting a balanced game. If you fed the other team, and they have a faceless, its not the faceless thats OP , its you who suck for feeding.

[weird fj from beyond]

thing is, it's not that I feed faceless void or anyone on my team does, it's just that when faceless is around we cannot push, either from fear of chrono or an actual chrono when we push towers, he can just get gold off of jungle and as long as enemy team plays defensive, nothing we can really do at least that's how i feel

[EnStorEn]

HyunGooie původně napsal:

thing is, it's not that I feed faceless void or anyone on my team does, it's just that when faceless is around we cannot push, either from fear of chrono or an actual chrono when we push towers, he can just get gold off of jungle and as long as enemy team plays defensive, nothing we can really do at least that's how i feel

I pray to volvo that I never have to play with you...