Keeper of the light at mid ???

[Cthulhu]

Any time I pick keeper of light i tell the team "can i go mid?" and it's like: "keeper mid?? noooo!! youre crazy, fool!!", but keeper is supremacy at mid. QEQEQEQE, and you'll farm all the enemy creeps, level up very soon, you don't let the mid enemy hero level, and we the mid enemy tower is over, you can help at top/bottom... it is awesome, test it and have fun.

The mid lane is STRAIGHT and enemy can't ambush u easily, unlike the other lanes. This makes the skill of keeper awesome.

Your only problem can be pudge at his favorite corner and you going too far at mid, but if u are aware... no problem. I checked against Lich, Queen of pain, Batrider, Sniper, Templar (poor templar!),... it is always the same. Keeper is very overpowered by his long range and mana replenishes. And when u finish the tower, your mates will have a powerful support.

Cheers

[JayID]]

Not worth it, if your opponents were decent and knew what they are doing, you would be dead within 2 minutes. Easy to gank, no escape, has to stand still to do damage.
Anyone with a stun or silence would destroy kotl mid. Puck is a nice choice :) Phase shift the Q and you can easy kill after 6 or if you get a gank.

[(:AR:)-Paradox]

引用自 n00boddy：

By the way, I never meant to say that Keeper at Mid can be something like an awesome carry or that. What I like about Keeper mid is that you are DISABLING the enemy at mid. For example, supposing game is going very balanced, when all heroes reach lvl 6 at lanes, keeper mid should be lvl 7 maybe 8, with +2000 gold to buy support items or teleport boots or what u like, and MID ENEMY is only lvl 4-5. After a while, enemy tower should be down, with keeper lvl 8-9, and everybody lvl 7 but MID ENEMY reaching lvl 6 (and that if he is playing well). This is a vantage.

I know I come into this rather late, but I've fought KotL and careful footwork mid can keep you in lane permanently. As Shadow Sham, I could dodge any and every shot KotL threw at me and ended up getting all of my farm, plus denying creeps left nearly dead after his waves. I was leveling up faster and safer than versus nearly any other mid. I just find him.... lacking. Nothing truly amazing happens when he gets farmed mid. He'll always be a fairly easy "carry" to kill due to his lack of passives, health, and staying power. By the end of the match, I didn't even need wards. I could accurately predict when he was going to shoot and dodge his shots from the fog of war.

[G.D]

koti can be mid, just that how you play, in dota there are no limitation being smart.

[76561198124175680]

Kotl mid is i think the poorest choices ever
Here are the reasons:
1. your right click damage is minimal
2. If you spam your wave, it will just push the lane, the opposing mid get all the farm in the world
3. You fast levels, count for nothing, your fast level 6 doesn't help you that much in ganking other lanes.
4. You ability chakra magic, would not be helping any of your team mates at all, early game(when its most needed)
5. You will not be supporting which your team counts on when you pick KOTL.

Its Dota, you can do anything, but its about using resources efficiently, against newbies,
you can go even a carry Shadow shaman, if you want. but at equal levels, such choices will cost your team the game.

[76561198124175680]

引用自 n00boddy：

By the way, I never meant to say that Keeper at Mid can be something like an awesome carry or that. What I like about Keeper mid is that you are DISABLING the enemy at mid. For example, supposing game is going very balanced, when all heroes reach lvl 6 at lanes, keeper mid should be lvl 7 maybe 8, with +2000 gold to buy support items or teleport boots or what u like, and MID ENEMY is only lvl 4-5. After a while, enemy tower should be down, with keeper lvl 8-9, and everybody lvl 7 but MID ENEMY reaching lvl 6 (and that if he is playing well). This is a vantage.

Also, the enemy can try to gank u at mid. But that usually means that u are doing pretty well (good new), and that also should imply 1 enemy has left his bottom/top lane (good new for your mates on that lane).

For more fun, I also like IO at mid XD. Good result too.

Only the noobest mid player will lose mid lane to Kotl,
all you do is spam your wave,
A bottle in my hand, i will just tank up your wave without care,

you are not denying anything, I get all the farm , and keep the mid lane on my high ground, try spamming then.

PS: IO mid is not a bad choice, the level 6 on IO matters far more than KOTL, infact IO level 6 is one of the most game changing level ups in the game. IO can right click and harass mid without pushing much better.

[ุ]

dp wouldlike to have a word with you

[SynC[+]]

Kotl is a lane support and thus is usually played in the side-lanes accompanying a carry. Against a completely braindead team, you can lane kotl mid and farm like crazy (then again against a braindead team, you can lane CM mid and she will be fine anyways)

Against any other teams with at least half a brain though, running kotl mid is as good as suicide since he has no form of escape and it terribly squishy. Your enemy heroes will be constantly rotating and getting kills of a mid kotl as if he is a gold vending machine...

[76561198100266559]

Kotl of the light

[Cryologist]

引用自 SynC+™：

Kotl is a lane support and thus is usually played in the side-lanes accompanying a carry. Against a completely braindead team, you can lane kotl mid and farm like crazy (then again against a braindead team, you can lane CM mid and she will be fine anyways)

Against any other teams with at least half a brain though, running kotl mid is as good as suicide since he has no form of escape and it terribly squishy. Your enemy heroes will be constantly rotating and getting kills of a mid kotl as if he is a gold vending machine...

Basically, anything can happen against noobs :)

[76561198124175680]

引用自 MidNFeed：

well I've seen carry mid kotl only once in 500match. He won us the game lol

More like opponents threw the game

[(:AR:)-Paradox]

引用自 volvo pls nerf autism：

dp wouldlike to have a word with you

Seconded - Death Prophet pushes waves just as hard early on as KotL, has a spammable attack that's easier to land early AND late in the game, and scales much better with levels and gold. The gold from mid can get her the bloodstone she needs by 20 minutes, even if she somehow gets outlanes by KotL, and the levels she gets will let her start pushing in the least amount of time.

Early game, I would expect a DP to win by just doing everything KotL does but BETTER. Late game, DP wins hands down unless KotL has miraculously gotten thousands more gold than she has. The only way I could envison keeper getting FED mid is against a mid who doesn't know what they're doing. This sort of person GENERALLY tends to dissapear around level 50 in matchmaking, or so it seems to me. Since then I haven't had nearly as many feeders mid, though I've seen a few.

Essentially, KotL mid could always be more effective in a sidelane, and the weird sacrifice is only ever justified when the enemy feeds/plays ineffectively. :/

[Wayward]

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[JayID]]

引用自 Hunter：

I know Kotl can win mid, the reason is because he has pretty much that bottle effect built into him (the use bottle then use nuke effect).

However, similar to bane in mid, he only serves as a tool to cut off the enemy mid laners farm, so while he wins mid, he does not make as much use of the farm he gets.

Although i gotta say, fast mek and tower CAN result in fast win.

The thing is though... if the enemy mid isn't braindead, kotl doesn't win mid and he doesn't disrupt the other mids farm.
He pushes the wave fast but as long as the enemy mid is able to last hit under tower there is no harm done. Also for the first 3 or 4 levels kotl will not be able to get last hits because his Q doesn't do enough damage to clear the creep wave and with his hefty 40-54 damage (Usually around 48) he won't really be able to out last hit his opponent therefore once again... losing the lane.

I am all for trying different heroes in different roles but this one just doesn't work sadly.

[76561198124175680]

引用自 Hunter：

I know Kotl can win mid, the reason is because he has pretty much that bottle effect built into him (the use bottle then use nuke effect).

However, similar to bane in mid, he only serves as a tool to cut off the enemy mid laners farm, so while he wins mid, he does not make as much use of the farm he gets.

Although i gotta say, fast mek and tower CAN result in fast win.

How does a mid hero lose a lane to KotL, plz explain,
Kotl Cant deny anything,
A mid hero will get all the farm he needs, infact with pleasure as creep wave remains pushed to him, and Kotl has now tower damage,

Plz explain how as a mid will i lose lane to an opposing KOTL, who has to stand still to spam, while i can just toy with him, while he channels.

Seriously people, plz reconsider Dota, if you think KotL as mid can do anything at all.

[cheSTeR4ever]

I actually had an opportunity playing vs. KOTL on the mid lane as PA couple days back. He kept spamming his Q skill which kept me little bit farther from the creep wave, but still within xp distance. All that did was that every single creep wave was pushed towards my tower and all I had to do was last hit them there (which got really easy once i got PMS and phase boots).

Game went pretty good for me because of my early farm (yes there was couple succesful ganks too):

http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/871188449