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Astral Knight 2014 年 6 月 4 日 下午 2:59
Why do people hate Riki so much?
It seems that every time I play Riki I am called a noob so I stopped using him about a month ago. I just used him for one match today. Axe was chasing Nyx Assassin and Nyx was low on health and Axe had full health. Nyx was running away and there was no way Nyx could kill him. I helped out by killing Axe so Nyx would not die. Nyx called me a kill stealer and said he was reporting me. I said sorry and explained to him why I killed Axe but he kept on ranting. There was NO way Nyx could have killed Axe. Then late game I was destroying the enemy barracks and the enemy team said I was backdooring like a child? What the heck is backdooring? I was just taking their barracks out so we would get mega creeps...
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Tarious 2015 年 4 月 8 日 下午 3:53 
the hero has the most out of place invis mechanic ingame along with the fact that the hero is piss easy to play.

What needs to happen is that the smokescreen needs to be split into 2 abilities with the same cooldown and share points, 1 is the silence, 1 is the miss chance. No more of this no fighting back ♥♥♥♥.
Deadbubble 2015 年 4 月 8 日 下午 4:29 
引用自 Tarious
the hero has the most out of place invis mechanic ingame along with the fact that the hero is piss easy to play.

What needs to happen is that the smokescreen needs to be split into 2 abilities with the same cooldown and share points, 1 is the silence, 1 is the miss chance. No more of this no fighting back ♥♥♥♥.

Smoke Screen is like one of Riki's biggiest abilities during teamfights...
Orangecraz 2015 年 4 月 8 日 下午 4:30 
引用自 Tarious
the hero has the most out of place invis mechanic ingame along with the fact that the hero is piss easy to play.

What needs to happen is that the smokescreen needs to be split into 2 abilities with the same cooldown and share points, 1 is the silence, 1 is the miss chance. No more of this no fighting back ♥♥♥♥.
The silence doesn't affect items. Just get an escape item, and watch as he wastes his smoke screen. Blink Dagger or Force Staff are good options.
Chara the Explorer 2015 年 4 月 8 日 下午 9:19 
引用自 Orangecraz
引用自 Tarious
the hero has the most out of place invis mechanic ingame along with the fact that the hero is piss easy to play.

What needs to happen is that the smokescreen needs to be split into 2 abilities with the same cooldown and share points, 1 is the silence, 1 is the miss chance. No more of this no fighting back ♥♥♥♥.
The silence doesn't affect items. Just get an escape item, and watch as he wastes his smoke screen. Blink Dagger or Force Staff are good options.
I would say Force Staff for most heroes, otherwise he'll just hit you once before you can pop out.
Eno 2015 年 4 月 9 日 上午 1:39 
It seems for people that it is easy to play Riki and they have no clue how to counter him. And that is because - as some have mentioned in this thread - people that aren't that much experienced do not buy wards, dusts, gems or possibly necronomicon or whatever that would grant true sight against Riki. There are a couple of heroes that can be picked to easily track Riki.

- Bounty Hunter: His ultimate which he will use on Riki as soon as Riki shows himself
- Slardar: His ultimate will reveal and decrease the armor of the target greatly.
- Zeus: His second skill (usually at hotkey w) will give you true sight for a short amount of time at the area you are using it

And the item "Necronomicon" on level 3; one of the summoned units has true sight.

People also hate him because it is "easy" to play invisible heroes. Likewise they hate Sniper because you are "only" right clicking heroes from far range with headshot procs etc.

My advice to you is that you should not listen to these people calling you noob. If you are dominating the game, how come you are the noob? IF Riki was OP, he would get nerfed. IF Riki was a special hero that would always (or almost always) win we would see that hero in competitive play. The pro players rarely (almost don't) pick Riki in competitive games which might be because it is actually not hard to detect him using wards, dusts and having gem. He also needs time to get strong unlike some other carries. Riki doesn't do anything at the beginning of the game unlike some other heroes who can fairly threathen enemy heroes.

If you are winning with him, then enjoy playing Riki and stick with him and increase your winrate.
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Mokaran 2015 年 4 月 9 日 上午 2:02 
I don't see Riki much on my skill bracket. And when I see one I tell my bois to grab the dust, cause it's free gold inbound :D
EL SCORPIO 2015 年 4 月 9 日 上午 2:06 
But the ulti was annoying. i think its best to buy ghost sceptre
引用自 Fidget
引用自 Orangecraz
The silence doesn't affect items. Just get an escape item, and watch as he wastes his smoke screen. Blink Dagger or Force Staff are good options.
I would say Force Staff for most heroes, otherwise he'll just hit you once before you can pop out.
Chara the Explorer 2015 年 4 月 9 日 上午 4:15 
引用自 EE
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A lot of people also don't realize that man-fighting Riki while you're in his cloud may actually be the smartest thing to do. Obviously being both blinded AND silenced cripples everyone regardless of whether you rely on right-clicking or casting, but standing still and staring at him also gimps HIS damage output.

Though this won't work if you're outnumbered and/or outgunned already, it's surprising how often this will save you in even encounters, even in big teamfights, since you can simply wait for him to deal his mediocre damage, THEN throw your spells and run or ♥♥♥♥ all over him. Even a squishy Hard Support can pull this off by himself if Riki isn't snowballing yet (one of my favourite examples was while playing Rubick, and using Beserker's Call with an allied Tusk with hilarious results).
最後修改者:Chara the Explorer; 2015 年 4 月 9 日 上午 4:15
Valerius 2015 年 4 月 9 日 上午 5:35 
Is it valid to still hate riki if someone randoms him ?
Eno 2015 年 4 月 9 日 上午 8:01 
Or you just get a bkb if you're a carry to deal with the smoke and if you are a support and a bkb is too expensive for you, the other option will be force staff (which can also be used to save other teammates)

The hero has been created for a purpose and if it was OP - as I said - it would get nerfed. I don't think Riki is OP. What people also forget is that you have to put pressure on him at the beginning. Some people trend to buy sentry wards and dusts when they have died three times to Riki or when he has got this item and that item. When you realize that Riki is on your lane one of your support should provide that lane with sentry wards. And if Riki is silently farming a lane you should gank him. Again, nothing special with that hero he is like other carries: DON'T GIVE ENEMY CARRIES TIME. Gank them constantly.
Lunakin 2015 年 4 月 9 日 上午 8:10 
I freaking LOVE riki. Also love when people buy tons of dust & wards early game too. Because I don't depend on the invis, I often assume they can see me before I consider any move. And I always quickly find where the wards are. His other abilities are already absurdly OP. Mostly his ulti, I mean blinking 4-6 times in a row is just insane. Its like having 4-6 blink daggers on him but with longer cooldown, makes escapes a lot harder. I just farm carefully and wait until I hit 6. Then I just save up charges and go for kills. If it goes south I usually have a charge to escape too.

Plus he is hard to call missing since a good riki will know where your wards are. Makes for a great ganker. Either the enemy team goes broke trying to ward the whole map or I dominate early to mid game. Usually how it goes most games especially if I have any decent support.

People who think invis detection automatically shuts down any riki haven't met a good riki.

Edit: just saw someone posted before me. LoL @ bkb. I just run away until it runs out and come back and gank you harder. My build allows for that easily. Plus I will probably farm you a lot before you can build a BKB.
最後修改者:Lunakin; 2015 年 4 月 9 日 上午 8:11
Spoops 2015 年 4 月 9 日 上午 9:15 
What's being referred to in the replies to this thread as backdooring is actually splitpushing - it's a very good thing to be doing though, not taking away from that.

Backdooring is pushing towers with no creeps around - this is really hard to do because towers have 'backdoor protection' when no creeps are near. Basically they get a ♥♥♥♥ ton of regen.
Eno 2015 年 4 月 9 日 上午 9:22 
Sure you can wait for the bkb to end but that is when the other team do not care about revealing you. He can always carry a dust if not a gem or put a sentry ward. Also 4-6 charges of blink isn't OP. People just lack carrying tp scrolls, supports can buy ghost scepter and easily get out.
Lunakin 2015 年 4 月 9 日 上午 9:25 
LOL! Yeah you're not killing me though. As Riki I can have my blink escape with sange/yasha and MoM. Chances of me getting away are good, many times even with a kill before hand.

Plus if I rush skullbasher no one is teleporting out unless they have ghost scepter. Even then better hope I don't have much magic on my team or I will simply have them come with.
最後修改者:Lunakin; 2015 年 4 月 9 日 上午 9:27
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