Medusa bloodstone?

[Multi]

i didnt see this on the recommended items, but i cant see why this wouldnt be a viable option for her.

i played a game last night where the only people with targeted spells were invoker and shadow demon. i bought linken's, and only saw it activate once or twice. i didnt die once. their main damage dealers were troll and lycan.

So in a situation like that, where the enemy's targeted spells don't threaten me, wouldn't it be better to just buy a bloodstone? i understand it doesnt give the attribute bonus that linken's does, but if you had enough charges the regen would be insane, meaning you could use the shield more, right?

i wound up picking up a butterfly after the linken's, and then picking up a rapier at my teammate's request. needless to say, i rapiered.

i'm only on like my 3rd dusa game, so i apologize if this sounds like a nooby question.

[Sir Barnaby Muff]

Please don't get bloodstone on dusa T~T try skadi as a replacement

[Multi]

Originally posted by Jacky-Chan:

Please don't get bloodstone on dusa T~T try skadi as a replacement

is there an actual reason, or are you just upset that im going against the recommended build?

skadi would give me some nice attributes, but idk. i usually end up picking that up after linken's anyways. i'm talking about picking up a bloodstone instead of linkens when the linken's active isnt as important.

[apeyoman]

Originally posted by Paul Blart:

Originally posted by Jacky-Chan:

Please don't get bloodstone on dusa T~T try skadi as a replacement

is there an actual reason, or are you just upset that im going against the recommended build?

skadi would give me some nice attributes, but idk. i usually end up picking that up after linken's anyways. i'm talking about picking up a bloodstone instead of linkens when the linken's active isnt as important.

the reason is that the value isnt really worth it

lets say the extra 200% mana regen wont help whilst getting attacked by the other team it wont do much at all as thew shield will drop far before the mana regen can compensate you it

if we compare this to getting a skaddi which gives mana , damage and HP therefor making it a much more viable option

Any questions just ask not sure if i answered your question or not :/

[Multi]

Originally posted by Archie:

Originally posted by Paul Blart:

is there an actual reason, or are you just upset that im going against the recommended build?

skadi would give me some nice attributes, but idk. i usually end up picking that up after linken's anyways. i'm talking about picking up a bloodstone instead of linkens when the linken's active isnt as important.

the reason is that the value isnt really worth it

lets say the extra 200% mana regen wont help whilst getting attacked by the other team it wont do much at all as thew shield will drop far before the mana regen can compensate you it

if we compare this to getting a skaddi which gives mana , damage and HP therefor making it a much more viable option

Any questions just ask not sure if i answered your question or not :/

no, that makes sense. in situations where the linken's isnt as important ill rush skadi. then follow it up with evasion or something, depending on who im dealing with and what they've bought. thanks

[76561198082915304]

bloodstone is really not worth it, the increase in mana regen won't be of much use if you don't have damage to burst your opponents. Thats the reason linkin or skadi is better because it gives solid boost to all your stats, increasing your health, mana, damage and speed at the same time.

Bloodstone is good for heroes who rely on their spells like stormspirit, puck, leshrac, qop etc. It isn't good for an auto attack based hero.

[Jehenoch]

just because it's a good item that adds hp+mana AND hpregen+manaregen does not mean it's suitable for medusa
if it works like that, then i should give bloodstone to any carry
bloodstone isn't a cheap item and it doesn't suit a carry who needs to spend his money for items that boost stats

Actually I understand where you're thinking, long ago I asked my friend why it's stupid to build vanguard on sven

[Jehenoch]

still, if you like it, do it, just because your idea is different, doesn't mean it will not work
i saw naga siren with radiance octarine before, don't ask me why

[Multi]

Originally posted by ©Nire Johnc:

just because it's a good item that adds hp+mana AND hpregen+manaregen does not mean it's suitable for medusa
if it works like that, then i should give bloodstone to any carry
bloodstone isn't a cheap item and it doesn't suit a carry who needs to spend his money for items that boost stats

Actually I understand where you're thinking, long ago I asked my friend why it's stupid to build vanguard on sven

yeah, thats what i figured. like i said, im new to medusa, and i was wondering why lots of mana regen wouldnt work for her shield. i didnt want to try it in a match without any input first. i was more interested in the insane mana regen than anything else. i understand what bloodstone does.

[僕の名前 (仮)]

She's carry and need damage items

[Multi]

Originally posted by SomeGuy:

She's carry and need damage items

yet she's got linkens listed as a core item, when that only adds about 25 damage.

i found butterfly to be a fantastic pickup on dusa. but i was looking for an item with some regen first.

[Jehenoch]

Originally posted by Paul Blart:

Originally posted by ©Nire Johnc:

just because it's a good item that adds hp+mana AND hpregen+manaregen does not mean it's suitable for medusa
if it works like that, then i should give bloodstone to any carry
bloodstone isn't a cheap item and it doesn't suit a carry who needs to spend his money for items that boost stats

Actually I understand where you're thinking, long ago I asked my friend why it's stupid to build vanguard on sven

yeah, thats what i figured. like i said, im new to medusa, and i was wondering why lots of mana regen wouldnt work for her shield. i didnt want to try it in a match without any input first. i was more interested in the insane mana regen than anything else. i understand what bloodstone does.

Please read this following story and I hope you get the point.

I'm a juggernaut maniac, I've researched a lot of items with him, because it's easy to get him some early kills and he farms fast.
Due to jugg's low survivability, there was a time where I stacked stat boosting items on him, I bought bkb, skadi and linken (+shoes and tp, 6 slots full)

Was the jugg fat? Yes.
Was it tanky? Yes.
Did it take a long time to farm those? Yes.
Did I get early kills and dominate 60% of game timeline? Yes

Did I win the match? NO

Why?

During teamfight, yes, it was hard to kill my juggernaut
But I couldn't kill anything either. Omnislash is less useful on lategame and my hits weren't hard enough to quickly finish off at least 2 enemy heroes in less than 5 seconds.

That is bad.

My supports and initiator were struggling to accompany me but I took too long to kill the targets.
I neglected the fact that I should've exploited jugg's critical passive which gives him double damage. What's the use of being a tanky hard carry if it can't kill anything quickly?

Today, I prioritize getting attack speed and damage on jugg, because more aspd = more chance to crit, more damage = more crit damage. Maximum tanky items I give jugg now are 2 items. bkb+linken, linken+skadi, manta+bkb, manta+skadi. No more stacking statboost items like how it used to be. It was foolish.


I think the same goes with medusa too.

You should pay attention to Medusa's AGI gain. It's low.
Without AGi boosting items like manta linken and skadi, your medusa hits like a fly.
You may not believe it right now, but you will someday when you're in a game where you and your enemy are equally intelligent, dragging the game to somwhere like 60-70 mins.

Mana shield isn't what keeps medusa alive most of the items. It's her team.

I'd go for the fact that I need to hit as hard as I can before mana shield runs out rather than having near-infinite mana shield but hits like a puzzy

[Jehenoch]

Dota is math when you look at it properly

Last hit counts, game phase (minutes), GPM required to be a good carry, XPM required to be a proper ganker, roshan timer, is warlock's golem on cd or not

That too, includes, your damage per hit on X target, your damage per hit on Y target, how long does it take to kill the tank, how long does it take to kill the support, WHICH ONE YOU SHOULD KILL FIRST, how long do you have to kill your main target



When you get your math right, you get dota right

[76561198074291431]

If you are comparing the regen/hp/mp bonuses between the two items, then you are right that they can be substituted with each other. However, the two items changes the way you want to play the game.

Linkens is more of a farming style, the proc often stops possible gank attempts. i.e. In the game you mentioned, assuming shadow demon is going to gank you. With linkens, if he used his ult to break your linkens, you can just walk out and if he follows up with disruption, great, you can tp out safely. You can't do that with a bloodstone.

Bloodstone sort of changes the playstyle into a farming-pickoff/ganking style which generally isn't how medusa is played as she is an extremely late carry and has no stuns/slows (unless you want to count her ult which is definitely unreliable and has a long cooldown) to help in ganking.

Someone mentioned about naga octarine radiance. That is actually a very good build as octarine reduces cooldown on spells, allowing her to summon more illusions and song more often (escape tool), it makes her much more survivable.

Hope this answers some question !

[Troispoint]

Originally posted by Paul Blart:

Originally posted by Jacky-Chan:

Please don't get bloodstone on dusa T~T try skadi as a replacement

is there an actual reason, or are you just upset that im going against the recommended build?

skadi would give me some nice attributes, but idk. i usually end up picking that up after linken's anyways. i'm talking about picking up a bloodstone instead of linkens when the linken's active isnt as important.

Unless you're a 5k mmr elite player, I woould defer to what actual pros are doing. Medusa is a late game carry, bloodstone is for active aggressors in the midgame like Storm Spirit and Timbersaw.

[AppakopeeK]

BloodStone gives you pure regen nothing else worth to mention.
Linkens gives you regen and ability to dodge spells.
Skadi gives you regen and a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ good slow.
And you dont even need that regen at all later on lol.
Stop trying to be smartass its not good at all.