Are solo queue players at a disadvantage?

[sadge]

Every time I solo queue, I seem to get matched with teammates who pick horribly, just play horribly, or are in a 4 stack that has absolutely no idea what it's doing (e.g. picks techies, goes 4-11, blames me for not getting 100% last hits in lane against a skywrath harass). Why is it that my teammates are so terrible? Is it because I can play better than all of them so the matchmaking puts terrible players on my team to balance it out? I mean, most of my games are in the very high skill bracket even though my calibrated MMR is 3.7k (after 13 games only), but I just feel that my teammates aren't even anywhere near my level which is sad considering that I'm not even good to begin with. Also, usually if they're in a stack, they tend to blame the solo player even if the solo player is literally dominating or doing his best to push lanes. I just had a game as Naga and my score was 8-4 and I was pushing as hard as I could, but the rubick in my team was 2-11 with almost no items, the mirana on my team had a mjollnir by 60 minutes and they asked me to push, then blamed me for taking all the lanes when it was completely their fault for the horrible picks (3 supports plus mirana who almost never ganked my lane, leaving me to push, farm my items, and carry the team against a timbersaw, shadow fiend, nightstalker).

I noticed whenever I lose, it's almost never really my fault because my score is fine, and my picks are fine. Sure I've made some mistakes, but I rarely make mistakes that cost us the whole game, unlike my teammates with below average IQ who farm ancients with Medusa and get to level 5 at 15 minutes.

So why does this matchmaking system suck so much for solo queue players?

[ChemicalBacon]

Picture this.

You go to team a team sport at the weekend, let's call it ice hockey.
You turn up, don't know anybody there aside from their names. Then you are forced into a game with this team of people, who also have never met each other.

How well do you think that is going to go?
Don't play solo queue unless you want to punish yourself

[ChemicalBacon]

Oh yeah, there is also a slim chance of being matche with two 2 stacks. Meaning you have 2 teams of 2 working well independantly of each other while you suffer from the communication gap.

[sadge]

引用自 Chemicalbacon：

Oh yeah, there is also a slim chance of being matche with two 2 stacks. Meaning you have 2 teams of 2 working well independantly of each other while you suffer from the communication gap.

I play well by myself with little communication. Problem is, my teammates don't. Sometimes I get matched with solo queue teammates as well, but they are just so terrible at their heroes that it's just 40 minutes of painful, hopeless, seemingly endless stressing until the game ends. Dota should be fun for either party, but the matchmaking just ruins it for everyone.

[lulborne]

Not really. I usually get people that are also solo queuing or duos. I'm fine with those. Problem is when you get premades of 3 or 4 players... these are the worst. I lose most of the time I have them on my team and win a lot when I'm facing them. Quite weird.

The explanation that some people gave me is that the MMR of these guys (even the hidden one) is quite lower than the ones are just solo queuing. Seems that they do that to balance the odds since it's expected that they communicate better and stuff like that. Since they don't actually use this advantage and are actually worse than the guys with less players on the other groups or the solo queuers, they are prone to mess things up. I'm just assuming crap here based on the things I heard, so don't quote me on that.

Anyway, my experience with solo queuing, which is usually I prefer to play, is avarage. bad and good games (mostly victories, thanks goodness), but nothing really extreme like a huge winrate or an awful losing streak.

[sadge]

引用自 bot hunt m8：

Not really. I usually get people that are also solo queuing or duos. I'm fine with those. Problem is when you get premades of 3 or 4 players... these are the worst. I lose most of the time I have them on my team and win a lot when I'm facing them. Quite weird.

The explanation that some people gave me is that the MMR of these guys (even the hidden one) is quite lower than the ones are just solo queuing. Seems that they do that to balance the odds since it's expected that they communicate better and stuff like that. Since they don't actually use this advantage and are actually worse than the guys with less players on the other groups or the solo queuers, they are prone to mess things up. I'm just assuming crap here based on the things I heard, so don't quote me on that.

Anyway, my experience with solo queuing, which is usually I prefer to play, is avarage. bad and good games (mostly victories, thanks goodness), but nothing really extreme like a huge winrate or an awful losing streak.

Oh gosh

You summarized my 1200 hours of dota in 3 paragraphs

Sometimes I'll go on terrible streaks though, like 10 win streak or 8 loss streak, it's bound to happen because sometimes you just get so unlucky with all these terrible players, and I think what you said about the stack might make sense, but it's hard for me to believe that valve would think that a 1.5k player and a 5k player being matched with a 3k player somehow makes it equal to being matched against three 3k players...

[Dufflebags]

How is this even a question? Of course there's always a distinct advantage in any team game to be in a stack of players... There's chemistry and typically mic work between the players which typically will result in better plays and more success. Solo queue is rolling the dice. You have literally 4 people you have zero control over. Sometimes you get the best team ever, sometimes you get the worst. Everything from feeders, to flamers, muted people or people who are just plain bad.