WOW being punished over massive win streak....

[The Snail King]

I won about 9 games in a row and then lost 1 then kept winning now getting the most TOXIC people on the planet..

Why are people being punished for playing above there rank???, Makes 0 sense, This has proved it for me, If you win too much it puts you with people who has below 50% and toxic as hell....

[Dark Sun Gwyndolin]

Gafowi の投稿を引用：

BossGalaga の投稿を引用：

You're saying that when you win, it's all you, but when you lose, it's Valve's fault. You claim "this is a fact." Provide your evidence then. Also, please explain whose fault it is when you feed and play poorly, because if Valve "forces" players to lose by matching them with bad players, then wouldn't that make you one of those bad players yourself? Or does that only apply to everyone else but not yourself?

Very easy to see when you're in a match messed around by valve. is very different from the others. These messed-up matches usually end before 20 minutes, with the score 25-2, like this. When this happens, it's not because you were 'unlucky' to be on a bad team, nor because you played poorly. It was simply placed with a few players which makes it practically impossible to win, and that is the punishment for having won several in a row. You really never realized this isn't possible?! xD

What about when you win with a bad score? Were those 'forced wins'?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qfdqf5Dw16s

According to Jenkins and many other pro coaches, in any matchmade ranked game (not just Dota), about a third of your games are forced losses, about a third are forced wins, and the remainder you have impact. The mistake many players make is they either focus on the forced wins (so they get arrogant and never improve) or focus on the forced losses (so they tilt easily and don't have any fun). Good players (i.e. the people who make it to Top 1000 Immortal) focus on the 'impact games', so that they always play their best even when their teammates are baboons from Mars.

[奇蹟]

Well, it happens a lot to me when I win several in a row... I'm glad it doesn't happen to you ;P it sucks.

[BossGalaga]

Gafowi の投稿を引用：

BossGalaga の投稿を引用：

You're saying that when you win, it's all you, but when you lose, it's Valve's fault. You claim "this is a fact." Provide your evidence then. Also, please explain whose fault it is when you feed and play poorly, because if Valve "forces" players to lose by matching them with bad players, then wouldn't that make you one of those bad players yourself? Or does that only apply to everyone else but not yourself?

Very easy to see when you're in a match messed around by valve. is very different from the others. These messed-up matches usually end before 20 minutes, with the score 25-2, like this. When this happens, it's not because you were 'unlucky' to be on a bad team, nor because you played poorly. It was simply placed with a few players which makes it practically impossible to win, and that is the punishment for having won several in a row. You really never realized this isn't possible?! xD

So if a game ends before 20 minutes then you claim it's Valve's fault, never yours. There was a 17 minute game in TI so according to you, Valve "forced" them to lose.

You claimed that Valve is "forcing" you to lose, and when I asked you to provide evidence, you claim that losing a game is your proof. That's not proof.

Also, if Valve is devising these elaborate conspiracies to hold you back in Dota 2 then why would they bother to make such a system that could be bypassed simply by joining or creating your own party?

[MVP_lCE™]

BossGalaga の投稿を引用：

Gafowi の投稿を引用：

If you win several in a row, valve forces you to lose a few games. This is a fact that I have seen many times. It's not about complaining about the team. You clearly notice when you are in a match with a good team, and in a match with an extremely horrible team. They are very different matches, complete unbalanced, and usually happen when you win several in a row. it's a pattern.

You're saying that when you win, it's all you, but when you lose, it's Valve's fault. You claim "this is a fact." Provide your evidence then. Also, please explain whose fault it is when you feed and play poorly, because if Valve "forces" players to lose by matching them with bad players, then wouldn't that make you one of those bad players yourself? Or does that only apply to everyone else but not yourself?

Ignore those people. Although sometimes I have arguments with you, I suggesting you ignoring people who thinking themselves are God or unbeatable who create this universe. @@ LOL.

[MVP_lCE™]

Too many kids (immature brains) still trying to argue that they are the beatable players in Dota 2. Well, IMO, if those players think they are unbeatable and must win forever, then why I can't see them in chairs of The International? Talk so much rubbish here but can't even step on the stage of The International. Sucks, shameful! Learn nothing?

[76561198940264023]

That's right, ignore everyone else's problems... until one day it becomes your problems.

[76561198940264023]

People complain here because they want to try to solve the problem, find a solution, for the better! and what I see are indifferent people who don't even know what's going on but say things like "ignore that ♥♥♥♥♥♥" or "unnisntal the game we don't need players like you". Why? I don't understand, they don't even know about the problem, if it's really happening or not, how can they turn a blind eye like that. Like I said, pepper in the eyes of others is a refreshment, right? Until one day it falls in your eyes then you will want to solve this problem.

[76561198940264023]

If I had a problem that wasn't solved, and it wasn't even answered by Valve, then other people are going through it too. Valve is acting like Brazilian politicians. She sees everything wrong happen but covers her eye and pretends everything is fine.

[奇蹟]

Hehe, people come here to read the problems and say something like: "ignore this ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥", "is a brain imature", something like that, thinking it affects someone xD
Honestly, if you've never been 'put' in those messed up matches I mentioned because you've never won several in a row, then in fact you're not a 'god of dota' ^^, but for those who know you know very well what valve does with who wins several in a row. I'll try to explain for the last time, it's not a decent match where you lose and blame the team, it's a match that's like a low priority... with jungle lvl 1, something like that. It actually stomps and ends in 15 min. Get it now? It's not a normal game, it's a messed-up game. Try to win 10x in a row and you'll face one of these.

[Dark Sun Gwyndolin]

Gafowi の投稿を引用：

Hehe, people come here to read the problems and say something like: "ignore this ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥", "is a brain imature", something like that, thinking it affects someone xD
Honestly, if you've never been 'put' in those messed up matches I mentioned because you've never won several in a row, then in fact you're not a 'god of dota' ^^, but for those who know you know very well what valve does with who wins several in a row. I'll try to explain for the last time, it's not a decent match where you lose and blame the team, it's a match that's like a low priority... with jungle lvl 1, something like that. It actually stomps and ends in 15 min. Get it now? It's not a normal game, it's a messed-up game. Try to win 10x in a row and you'll face one of these.

I'm currently on a 9 win streak, I'll let you know if I get any 'forced losses'.

However, some people HAVE been offering solutions, including me with the video I linked above. Namely, forced losses and forced wins happen to everyone, even pros. The way you climb in MMR is to win the matches you can have impact on and don't get tilted over the losses.

[奇蹟]

I know this happens to everyone, not just me. I see a lot happening on twitch live with good players. I just think it's wrong, you get punished for winning more than losing. only that. But at least most matches are balanced that only happens when you win a lot in a row.

[Ulthwé]

Tech.Noir の投稿を引用：

yup its gettng pathetic
a week ago i somehow had nice teammates and won like 10 games in a row.
followed by 3 losses 1 win and 8 loses....

judging by the logic of the people who dont believe in the forced 50% it would i mean that i went from playing super well to play super bad, when in fact i always just play average.

not to mention the fact that the lost games were unwinnable games where people go afk, feed rapiers, block camps and other griefing beh.

i really wonder if there is a way to "remove" the shadowban.
i nearly play daily and every day i meet the same people in my games, like im in a pool of like 2000 players.

48,10% overall winrate. You don't play average, you play worse than average players. Also, seems like you play a lot of turbo games, people shouldn't complain about balance if they play this mode because it inherently doesn't pay that much attention to balancing.

[Dark Sun Gwyndolin]

Gafowi の投稿を引用：

I know this happens to everyone, not just me. I see a lot happening on twitch live with good players. I just think it's wrong, you get punished for winning more than losing. only that. But at least most matches are balanced that only happens when you win a lot in a row.

I guess I have to say it a third time. Forced losses happen to EVERYONE, including pros. So do forced wins. This is the case for every matchmade video game, not just Dota, because of the inherent instability of random, no-obligation, online matchmaking. The way to overcome this is to focus on your own impact and stop blaming your teammates. Remember, the enemy team has just as many noobs and griefers as your team does.

Do you think if RTZ ended up in Herald, he would be held back by 'forced losses'? No, he would climb to his proper high-Immortal rank within a few months, because he's so many orders of magnitude better than anyone else in the game, to the point that he could solo-carry games even with a teammate running down mid.

[Ulthwé]

Still waiting for valve to damage my 56% winrate. https://www.opendota.com/players/155422716
I won't believe this 50/50 nonsens unless I get close to 51% winrate which isn't going to happen anytime soon. If it was a system, why would I be an exception?

Most of you guys can't accept you lose because of other parameters...

[King Kitty]

ImTerribleBTW の投稿を引用：

I won about 9 games in a row and then lost 1 then kept winning now getting the most TOXIC people on the planet..

Why are people being punished for playing above there rank???, Makes 0 sense, This has proved it for me, If you win too much it puts you with people who has below 50% and toxic as hell....

I was on a win-streak and now I'm only matching with south americans who scream insults and spam chatwheel.