Dota 2
Mighty Atom Dec 18, 2015 @ 7:13am
Correct way to play Arc Warden
I've been doing some tests, and it seems to me that there can be no "standard" build on AW. People are probably right to buy Midas on him nearly every game, but it seems that he has so many options as far as roles go, that it would be a mistake to label a a build "THE" build.
You could run him as a support, split pusher, carry(sort of), ganker, mid, nuker, ect..
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Pabalabab Dec 18, 2015 @ 7:25am 
I think he's just a plain bad hero. Specializing in nothing, average at some things.

Only good if you dominate bad opponents and go a gimmicky double dagon.

He can't carry. He can sort of split push but there are better split pushers. I think labelling him as a support is simply because he can't do anything else well so he might as well put up wards. I guess he can do nice sustain in lane by ult then mango/bottle the carry etc but he has no real lane presence.

Bad stat gain, super squishy and never builds real damage. He's an agility hero but you're still going to end up with ~7 armour at level 25 if you don't build armour because let's face it you don't build agility items.

His W is his only redeeming skill IMO. And it's a pretty good skill at that especially if you have range right clickers and not melee so the enemy can't kite your teammates out easily.
enc0unter Dec 18, 2015 @ 7:27am 
He can secure runes and carry rapier safely
See wat I feel Is tat he is a good hero although his stats suck and thus he has no standard build
I feel tat only his second move is good otherwise he SUXXX
Pabalabab Dec 18, 2015 @ 7:32am 
Originally posted by ReichsRatte88:
He can secure runes and carry rapier safely

You mean spend 6k gold on an item he can use for 20 seconds every 60 with slow attack speed?

And yes he can secure a rune if he wants to spend 300-400 mana doing so with his bad mana pool when the enemy can see the trap and if ranged just deny the rune anyway.
TheMetalCorpser Dec 18, 2015 @ 7:40am 
Personally I have 3 builds for him: Carry; Push; and Nuke. All 3 builds have something in common though Bottle-Boot-Midas-W/e goes with that build-Manta-Refresher.
Multi Dec 18, 2015 @ 7:49am 
I've seen people go midas-manta-skadi and do ok. he could potentially make a good illusion-based carry, and anyone who denies that either

a) Hasn't seen anyone who knows how to micro play the hero
or
b) Simply can't micro themselves.

However I'll admit that unless you're in a bracket where teamfights involve enemies being all over the place, he doesnt have good spells for teamfights.

His E takes a while to activate and is obvious. with your ult you could place them more often, but idk.

His Q only hinders an enemy if they're alone. good for solo pick-offs, unless they have tp scrolls.

His W and his ult are what makes him good in teamfights.

He could easily make a good position 2 if you build like orchids and maybe scythes along with a skadi.

He could easily be a full-on pusher if you build manta, refresher, necrobook and AC

He's a very versatile hero. I'm excited to try him out in games once people calm down with him.
Mighty Atom Dec 18, 2015 @ 7:50am 
It's really valuable to have heroes like that though. he will probably make a good first pick in CM, since your enemy can pick a counter for one of his play-styles but not all of them. If you pick AW and they counter with a shaker pick, then you just dont make necro/midas, and get a double orchid or something like that. You could use him to make the enemy counter you, then you just change up the build and counter him back.
Multi Dec 18, 2015 @ 7:53am 
Originally posted by Mighty Atom:
It's really valuable to have heroes like that though. he will probably make a good first pick in CM, since your enemy can pick a counter for one of his play-styles but not all of them. If you pick AW and they counter with a shaker pick, then you just dont make necro/midas, and get a double orchid or something like that. You could use him to make the enemy counter you, then you just change up the build and counter him back.
ooh that could be good. double orchid, double scythe, double solar crest. That on top of the ability to make your teammates attack insanely fast and have 100% evasion for 10 seconds, and you've got a good support.
Jack Dec 18, 2015 @ 7:54am 
i use arc warden as a support in early game while building arcane boots and midas and some wards, in the mid game here comes the necrobook level 3, and atlast the late game, Arcane boots, hand of midas, necrobook, and vyse.. Good Luck, by the way, i always lane Arc warden in top and bottom, not in mid
TheMetalCorpser Dec 18, 2015 @ 8:01am 
Originally posted by mAgnum. Puppey:
i use arc warden as a support in early game while building arcane boots and midas and some wards, in the mid game here comes the necrobook level 3, and atlast the late game, Arcane boots, hand of midas, necrobook, and vyse.. Good Luck, by the way, i always lane Arc warden in top and bottom, not in mid
Oddly enough I avoid arcane boots with him as his mana regen is good enough, and I get bottle, so I mainly stick with tread and tp boot.
budspencer Dec 18, 2015 @ 8:15am 
The pusher AW is really bad, I played 5+ matches against midas + necro + manta AW and all game he fed us with 2*2*200 gold (necronomicon bounty) in every 55 sec.. it is strong mid game IF (!!) he can farm it quickly but the problem is: he can't.. + manta illus are really weak..

There are better carries, pushers, offlaners, gankers, etc.. maybe if he goes full disabler orchid + vise it can be useful..
Last edited by budspencer; Dec 18, 2015 @ 8:16am
JERRY SMITH Dec 18, 2015 @ 8:18am 
Arc its only good in early
76561198090771413 Dec 18, 2015 @ 8:26am 
most people i see dont know a thing about him he is a high skill cap hero i would say but im sure he is very great if played right
Mighty Atom Dec 18, 2015 @ 8:45am 
his ability to solo smoke on mid is really great. If the mid player jumps in it's always a kill i think. You just put flux on them, then place the spark wraith in their escape path. The 6 second slow gives the spark time to materialize, and thats a dead hero.
I dont think he would be good solo mid, because you can't chase with him. Once you put down magnetic field enemies just walk away...
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