Ringmaster lacks fun

[Red Dragon]

Ringmaster is still "in the making" since he doesn't have Aghanim or facet, but still the base kit is too boring and honestly kinda usless/boring, Q is alright as it is IMO, W in the other hand, it's kinda usless, for it to be more useful and funnier at the same time, I'd say that the people who get out of the box should be invisible for some seconds at least, he is doing a magic trick after all, and for the knife, I think it should be a bit faster, he is throwing a knife not a paper plane, and the ult is completly awful... and the only thing to fix it is to make it able to be placed where you want and not only the end of the area you throw it. The idea of a magic trickster circus man is pretty fun but you missed the kit by a little.

What you guys think about the changes I said or the character itself? What would you change of his actual kit?

(I'm a casual player so some things I said may be wrong, keep that in mind and don't be rude <3)

[Artek [General]]

Q is perfect as it is (damage can get ridiculous, but we could just turn that into a facet later).

W is indeed boring, i really don't like the area limitation that cancels the skill if you try to actually use it to escape. The invisibility is already solved by the Veil item which pretty much does that for 2000 gold. What i would like to see is to either remove the area limitation (or at the very least make it bigger... Potential facet?) or i would like to see an explosion in the end of the skill. The box explodes with knives, after all, so maybe it could apply the same effect E does in AoE?

E is fine for the most part, its not that slow and the damage is decent since max HP based. My only complaint is that you can't rapid stack it for increased DoT DPS and instead just have to kinda torture your target by hitting them with it every 3 seconds.

R i do agree is kinda boring as not as flashy as one would expect for a circus showman, but as an ULT - its basically perfect. It does a little bit of everything: a little bit crowd control, a little bit damage, the cast range is crazy and shouldn't be touched IMHO, and the cooldown is not oppressively long, so you can use it at every opportunity without holding on to it for the perfect cast like Enigma.


Overall - i find him very fun to play. I don't particularly like playing support roles, but with this guy its invigorating since your entire job is to just harass the opponents as much as you can and he absolutely excels at it. Just don't send him to mid - he's not that good at it since he has very little options for expanding his kit, although he can buy Witchblade which stacks greatly with his E (and its a dagger too, so it fits his theme perfectly - i'm honestly surprised he doesn't have a voiced reaction to buying it, but he does for BattleFury? I think he was originally meant to be melee...)

[ʍolɟ ǝɥʇ ǝsɹǝʌǝɹ]

I think he's great at counterinitiaion and clean up kills. That's the style of the hero. Even the box for saves is a counter initiative tool. Stop trying to play him as an initiator, it's not what he does

If he gets nerf it will be from increased mana costs, to slow spam in lane, not cd or damage nerfs

[Artek [General]]

Originally posted by ʍolɟ ǝɥʇ ǝsɹǝʌǝɹ:

I think he's great at counterinitiaion and clean up kills. That's the style of the hero. Even the box for saves is a counter initiative tool. Stop trying to play him as an initiator, it's not what he does

If he gets nerf it will be from increased mana costs, to slow spam in lane, not cd or damage nerfs

Oh actually: you reminded me the one issues with the W box - the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ cast range. Its like Dazzle all over again. I would f*cking LOVE to save my teammate... IF I ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ COULD.

[Alpha Omega Pepega]

I dono what are you talking about. His toolkit is literally perfect for a support.
His Q is perfect for in lane harrasing, securing range creeps and farming in a midgame.

His W is like one of the best save abilities in the game. When ringmaster is in the game, none of his cores can get focused. It protects from right clickers and counters spells. You can legit save from dual and reaper scythe.

His E can cancel blinks from insane range or slow, to allow everyone to catch up to a target.

And his ulti is literally an AEO taunt that deals damage overtime and slows + gets everyone together for spells like echo slame, black hole and etc.

Great hero with perfect toolkit. No idea what are you complaining about.

[Red Dragon]

Originally posted by Alpha Omega Pepega:

I dono what are you talking about. His toolkit is literally perfect for a support.
His Q is perfect for in lane harrasing, securing range creeps and farming in a midgame.

His W is like one of the best save abilities in the game. When ringmaster is in the game, none of his cores can get focused. It protects from right clickers and counters spells. You can legit save from dual and reaper scythe.

His E can cancel blinks from insane range or slow, to allow everyone to catch up to a target.

And his ulti is literally an AEO taunt that deals damage overtime and slows + gets everyone together for spells like echo slame, black hole and etc.

Great hero with perfect toolkit. No idea what are you complaining about.

I mean, my only complain about his ult is that you can't place it where you want in the area you can throw it, it always goes to the end of the area so it's a bit difficult to land it good when there is already a requirement for it to do the CC that is people looking at it from inside the roulette area

[Artek [General]]

Originally posted by Red Dragon:

Originally posted by Alpha Omega Pepega:

I dono what are you talking about. His toolkit is literally perfect for a support.
His Q is perfect for in lane harrasing, securing range creeps and farming in a midgame.

His W is like one of the best save abilities in the game. When ringmaster is in the game, none of his cores can get focused. It protects from right clickers and counters spells. You can legit save from dual and reaper scythe.

His E can cancel blinks from insane range or slow, to allow everyone to catch up to a target.

And his ulti is literally an AEO taunt that deals damage overtime and slows + gets everyone together for spells like echo slame, black hole and etc.

Great hero with perfect toolkit. No idea what are you complaining about.

I mean, my only complain about his ult is that you can't place it where you want in the area you can throw it, it always goes to the end of the area so it's a bit difficult to land it good when there is already a requirement for it to do the CC that is people looking at it from inside the roulette area

I mean... You can. His ult is stupid versatile because of the cast range.
What you are noticing is that his ult has a minimum cast range - he can't put it right under himself, but only slightly away from himself. But after that minimum range - its free game basically.

https://steamcommunity.com/id/GeneralArtek/screenshot/2423586958288952559/

[Red Dragon]

Originally posted by Artek General:

Originally posted by Red Dragon:

I mean, my only complain about his ult is that you can't place it where you want in the area you can throw it, it always goes to the end of the area so it's a bit difficult to land it good when there is already a requirement for it to do the CC that is people looking at it from inside the roulette area

I mean... You can. His ult is stupid versatile because of the cast range.
What you are noticing is that his ult has a minimum cast range - he can't put it right under himself, but only slightly away from himself. But after that minimum range - its free game basically.

https://steamcommunity.com/id/GeneralArtek/screenshot/2423586958288952559/

Oh really? I didn't knew that

[Alpha Omega Pepega]

Originally posted by Red Dragon:

Originally posted by Alpha Omega Pepega:

I dono what are you talking about. His toolkit is literally perfect for a support.
His Q is perfect for in lane harrasing, securing range creeps and farming in a midgame.

His W is like one of the best save abilities in the game. When ringmaster is in the game, none of his cores can get focused. It protects from right clickers and counters spells. You can legit save from dual and reaper scythe.

His E can cancel blinks from insane range or slow, to allow everyone to catch up to a target.

And his ulti is literally an AEO taunt that deals damage overtime and slows + gets everyone together for spells like echo slame, black hole and etc.

Great hero with perfect toolkit. No idea what are you complaining about.

I mean, my only complain about his ult is that you can't place it where you want in the area you can throw it, it always goes to the end of the area so it's a bit difficult to land it good when there is already a requirement for it to do the CC that is people looking at it from inside the roulette area

because it would be op if u could throw it in front of you. Thats literally a counter play against this hero. You just jump him and kill him, Just like any other utility support.

[Danaie]

W useless? 1k talking…

[klein]

I stopped reading when you said "W is useless". It means you dont understand the hero at all. W is an insane ability that can completely turn every fight. I would even say its the most broken kit in ringmasters abilities. This spell will 100% get nerfed after ti.

[Aurelius]

I think he's pretty balanced.

[HardNRG]

W can for example save your teammate from wyvern ulti. Pretty good stuff, wouldn't you think? The ability doesn't need any magic trick after the box ends, the magic trick is that you are free to do your abilities again, like a lion poppin outta the box and fingering the enemy dead. That's funny.

[Red Dragon]

Originally posted by HardNRG:

W can for example save your teammate from wyvern ulti. Pretty good stuff, wouldn't you think? The ability doesn't need any magic trick after the box ends, the magic trick is that you are free to do your abilities again, like a lion poppin outta the box and fingering the enemy dead. That's funny.

Wow I didn't knew that, I guess I haven't watched a lot of interactions with it yet, it's not like I play DOTA2 every day and what I said was from a casual DOTA2 player viewpoint