Warlock support destroying safe lane farm on purpose

[Zubawanga]

What is wrong with all the warlock support i encounter? They max fatal bond first just to compete farm with their own sniper carry and push out creep to enemy tower while he goes to jungle to farm with upheavel after that.
Sample Match = 7924817138

You are support who is suppose to help your carry farm. Not compete and push out creep so sniper can't farm or stay at the safety of his tower range vs 2 enemy hero.

This is not the first warlock support that does this. Almost all warlock support does this. If you want to farm as warlock, then play midlane warlock.

Edit:
No need to analyse the match as it's a total stomp match with my mid and offlane losing and feeding while my support destroy my lane farming with his own hand and then goes to jungle farm.
Probably my fault as i have 4 consecutive win before that and matchmaking decided "ok, time to give you the cream of the crop"..

[Deepbluediver]

I believe they max Fatal Bonds to harass the enemy- if you can drive the enemy out of the lane they will get no farm and no XP, and if they are low on HP it can set up a gank from mid.

[Zubawanga]

Originally posted by Deepbluediver:

I believe they max Fatal Bonds to harass the enemy- if you can drive the enemy out of the lane they will get no farm and no XP, and if they are low on HP it can set up a gank from mid.

How stupid is that? You are killing all your creep and pushing it to enemy tower. Unless you can dive their tower to kill them when they are low, if not you are just letting them free farm and exp at the safety of their own tower.

Also remember, the carry is me.. sniper.. I need to stay in my own tower range when it's 1 vs 2.. that warlock just come to cast fatal bond on enemy creep and leave to jungle. He don't stay to harass the enemy or anything. Just come to cast fatal bond while i was happily staying inside my tower range farming and killing my own creep so i can continue to stay in my own tower range.

[ʍolɟ ǝɥʇ ǝsɹǝʌǝɹ]

in turbo its an early lvl 2. its often a big unfair advantage

[Absche]

Harassing and pushing is generally a good strategy if he doesn‘t completely forget his heal. Fatal bonds and shrapnel together are disastrous. Don‘t insist on your role/position but fight together.

[Commend4Commed Report4Report]

My guess is he didn't want to support and picked a hero that gets away with stealing farm. Another hero that does the same thing is Jakiro. Because their spells technically are doing damage to heroes they get an excuse to nuke the wave.

Maybe the Warlock recognized your as a far less skilled player them himself and that the farm going to you would be better off with him because he is playing a hero that has the possibility of single handedly winning the game.

I'm not saying the latter is true but instead this is his likely reasoning.

[Will]

Originally posted by Zubawanga:

What is wrong with all the warlock support i encounter? They max fatal bond first just to compete farm with their own sniper carry and push out creep to enemy tower while he goes to jungle to farm with upheavel after that.
Sample Match = 7924817138

You are support who is suppose to help your carry farm. Not compete and push out creep so sniper can't farm or stay at the safety of his tower range vs 2 enemy hero.

This is not the first warlock support that does this. Almost all warlock support does this. If you want to farm as warlock, then play midlane warlock.

Edit:
No need to analyse the match as it's a total stomp match with my mid and offlane losing and feeding while my support destroy my lane farming with his own hand and then goes to jungle farm.
Probably my fault as i have 4 consecutive win before that and matchmaking decided "ok, time to give you the cream of the crop"..

It's something I see all day long man.
You've been lucky if you didn't see that before. (even and especially in rank where it drives you nuts.).

[MVP_lCE™]

Their play styles are different than your expectations, right? I know you like the type of Warlock players who play healing a lot.

If you have issue with your partner or the player who same lane with you, then you should try alternative ways to adapt his manners there.

I faced many annoying games as described by you. Sometimes, I can face Juggernaut who die hard to same lane with me although I was using PA. Guess how difficult for me to control my patience there.

If you are playing in such situation for the Ranked MM, then you may play as usual by doing the right actions such as report him. Or if you are in Unranked MM, then you can try to improve yourself and just let the abusers (if you think so) to enjoy his game. Besides that, you should at least suggest idea or share opinions to him how you usually play your hero there. Up to him whether he can adapt your styles (ideas/opinions) or he wanna use his own styles, maybe he is a new player who still learning?

[Zagryzaec]

Nothing is wrong with them. It's you who are the problem .

Fatal bonds push lane into enemy then you do pull to reset the pane. That's the basics of playing lane with warlock. You should know this by now.

[Bianco Angelo]

Probably just low ranked match.
I basically main warlock so i guess your teammates dont pull waves to reset them

[Deepbluediver]

Originally posted by Zubawanga:

How stupid is that? You are killing all your creep and pushing it to enemy tower. Unless you can dive their tower to kill them when they are low, if not you are just letting them free farm and exp at the safety of their own tower.

Also remember, the carry is me.. sniper.. I need to stay in my own tower range when it's 1 vs 2.. that warlock just come to cast fatal bond on enemy creep and leave to jungle. He don't stay to harass the enemy or anything. Just come to cast fatal bond while i was happily staying inside my tower range farming and killing my own creep so i can continue to stay in my own tower range.

It's not necessarily stupid- it's just different. As a Sniper you should be able to stand way back and farm anyhow, as well as siege down the tower pretty easily. Killing the tower helps your team with map control and farm as well. You're particular Warlock might have been bad, but that seems to be more related to his walking away from lane than his casting Fatal Bonds.

[Wuhan Bat Masala]

Try playing the hero for yourself and you will soon realize that you are not very much different from them

[MovingTargetTez]

If you struggle to get last hits on creeps that are low hp then perhaps you should consider playing a different hero.
I play warlock in lane with sniper and this is how we keep the lane pushed and the enemies low. Also forces the enemy to waste more gold on regen and forces rotations to free up the offlane or mid.

Yes it can be frustrating, but given how you're mostly going to be out of the way it shouldn't be an issue. Just dump shrapnel on the enemy and focus on getting the last hits. The explodey boys will do the rest for you.

[Hadraziel]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LT4KwCK5Boo&t=185s

[Artek [General]]

its standard practice. Fatal bonds are stupid strong right now and get a lot of damage on enemy heroes - meaning it compensates pushing lane by providing opportunities to actually kill your lane opponents and get even more gold that way. It creates a lot of very unpleasant pressure for the opposing side. Trust me - they are not having a good time, and your best bet as a carry as to attempt to capitalize on that by providing some violent harrasment too. Hell, Sniper + Warlock lane combo sounds horrifyingly cringe to stand against, especially if Sniper maxes out Shrapnel and joins in on violent harassment. Taking potshots at their tower to destroy it by minute 10 is just a bonus.

[Wuhan Bat Masala]

Originally posted by Artek General:

its standard practice. Fatal bonds are stupid strong right now and get a lot of damage on enemy heroes - meaning it compensates pushing lane by providing opportunities to actually kill your lane opponents and get even more gold that way. It creates a lot of very unpleasant pressure for the opposing side. Trust me - they are not having a good time, and your best bet as a carry as to attempt to capitalize on that by providing some violent harrasment too. Hell, Sniper + Warlock lane combo sounds horrifyingly cringe to stand against, especially if Sniper maxes out Shrapnel and joins in on violent harassment. Taking potshots at their tower to destroy it by minute 10 is just a bonus.

Warlock and disruptor ulti with aghanims can wipe out almost entire team unless your team has some sort of saves