After years of playing, I concluded the Surrender button is needed. the late game comebacks werent worth the lost time.

[Skadi doesnt know]

Just like the title states, Dota is time consuming because of the tower armor and all the comeback mecanisms which are great.

On the other hand, teams should be able to conclude that at 25mins, they dont want to keep playing. I have seen stomps extend near the 40min mark. Life is short friends.

Life is short.

[Der Oberunterdrücker]

Some times you recodnise that are AI bots.

[Deepbluediver]

The problem, OP, is that people won't just use it in the late-game when they are down 35-7. They will start spamming it as soon as First Blood happens, or someone picks a hero they don't like, and they just upset at their team, etc etc etc.

If you want to be able to surrender, find some friends and make 5-stack. Don't put your faith in random pubs.

[Der Oberunterdrücker]

Originally posted by Deepbluediver:

The problem, OP, is that people won't just use it in the late-game when they are down 35-7. They will start spamming it as soon as First Blood happens, or someone picks a hero they don't like, and they just upset at their team, etc etc etc.

If you want to be able to surrender, find some friends and make 5-stack. Don't put your faith in random pubs.

some times valve Ai bots dont understand humans ..who they cant!

[DUGONG]

We totally need the surrender button. Imagine having to slog it out with teammates that keep feeding although you are doing decent in your lane. How can you expect to "comebak" AKA carry these slaggers and lazy players who feed when frankly you feel like quitting. It's not ok. Dudes go like 0/3 before even the first 4 minutes respawn and die put you at -2k gold disadvantage in first 5 minutes and volvo expects you to carry them? hell no ... worst part is sometimes you know when the enemy are smurfs then its ok but these feeders usually go 0/15 or 1/20 even in long games so yea tells you about their playstyle. It's not worth the effort picking up their slack. You get a triple kill and they dive a tower (enemy respawns under their tower and surprise they all die) or feed enemy in the jungle on other side of map along with other genius teammates. its stupid and frustating.

[Der Oberunterdrücker]

Originally posted by DUGONG:

We totally need the surrender button. Imagine having to slog it out with teammates that keep feeding although you are doing decent in your lane. How can you expect to "comebak" AKA carry these slaggers and lazy players who feed when frankly you feel like quitting. It's not ok. Dudes go like 0/3 before even the first 4 minutes respawn and die put you at -2k gold disadvantage in first 5 minutes and volvo expects you to carry them? hell no ... worst part is sometimes you know when the enemy are smurfs then its ok but these feeders usually go 0/15 or 1/20 even in long games so yea tells you about their playstyle. It's not worth the effort picking up their slack. You get a triple kill and they dive a tower (enemy respawns under their tower and surprise they all die) or feed enemy in the jungle on other side of map along with other genius teammates. its stupid and frustating.

We need only human play without Valve AI bots. Than matchamking will be good.

[Skadi doesnt know]

Originally posted by Deepbluediver:

The problem, OP, is that people won't just use it in the late-game when they are down 35-7. They will start spamming it as soon as First Blood happens, or someone picks a hero they don't like, and they just upset at their team, etc etc etc.

If you want to be able to surrender, find some friends and make 5-stack. Don't put your faith in random pubs.

I propose an easy solution such as surrender opening at the 25-30min mark. 30min for a game is fair for an assessment. Dont you think?

[Deepbluediver]

Originally posted by Skadi doesnt know:

I propose an easy solution such as surrender opening at the 25-30min mark. 30min for a game is fair for an assessment. Dont you think?

No, for two reasons: first, if you can only surrender after 30 minutes then how much time are you really saving? It seems likely to cause even more intra-team conflict than we already have for very little gain.

And second, people already give up too easily- I don't want to encourage people to go AFK farm the jungle even more because they think they'll be able to quit right at 30 minutes and cut the end-game 5 minutes shorter.

[76561198916157789]

IF THAT'S YOUR PROBLEM THEN DON'T PLAY THE GAME. SURRENDER BUTTON IS FOR THE WEAK PEOPLE LIKE YOU AND MAYBE THE BEST GAME FOR YOU IS FPS OR SOMETHING ON MOBILE PHONE STUFF. PUSHING FOR THIS KIND OF THING INSTEAD OF TRYING TO GET THEM TO GIVE IMMEDIATE AND HARSH PUNISHMENTS FOR PEOPLE WHO THROW THE GAME FOR NO ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ REASON. SELFISH RETARDED CHROMOSOME LACKING PEOPLE WHO PLAYS IN RANK AND THEN LITERALLY PLAYING ANOTHER ROLE AND NOT HELPING THE TEAM AND RUINS THE GAME. AND THOSE PEOPLE WHO GETS OFFENDED AND STARTS THROWING WHEN THEIR TEAM MEMBER IS ASKING FOR THEM TO ADJUST OR SUGGESTING SOMETHING TO HELP THE TEAM, I REALLY HOPE SOMETHING BAD HAPPENS TO YOU GUYS IN REAL LIFE BECAUSE I BET YOU ARE LITERALLY AN ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ WHO DOESN'T HAVE FRIENDS BECAUSE OF YOUR HORRIBLE ATTITUDE. AND NOBODY WILL PROBABLY MISS YOU AND THEY WILL BE HAPPY TO BECAUSE PEOPLE LIKE YOU MAKES THIS WORLD MORE ♥♥♥♥♥♥. WEAK PEOPLE WHO CAN'T STAND TO BE CORRECTED, BIG EGOS WITH SMALL BRAINS. AND MOST OF YOU ARE FROM ASIA SPECIALLY THE INDOGNESEANS, CHINESE, FILIPINO, AND INDIANS TOO. ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ HORRIBLE UNDERDEVELOPED MONKEYS WHO HAVE SUPERIORITY COMPLEX BUT ARE SO STUPID THEY CAN'T ACCEPT NEW IDEAS IN THEIR BRAIN BECAUSE IT IS TOO SMALL TO FIT NEW IDEAS.

[ilir]

Surrender button ruined and keeps ruining League of Legends. That button singlehandedly will popularize way more the "whatever just surrender, go next" mentality. In normal/turbo matches I wouldn't be mad if they added it but Ranked absolutely

[76561198916157789]

Originally posted by ilir:

Surrender button ruined and keeps ruining League of Legends. That button singlehandedly will popularize way more the "whatever just surrender, go next" mentality. In normal/turbo matches I wouldn't be mad if they added it but Ranked absolutely

DOTA PLAYERS ARE NOT A BUNCH OF ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ LIKE THOSE PEOPLE WHO PLAY THAT STUPID GAME LOL. DOTA STANDS FOR DEFENSE OF THE ANCIENT, AND PUTTING SURRENDER BUTTON ON A RANK GAME WILL LITEARLLY KILL THIS GAME. THEY KILLED IT ENOUGH BY NOT PUNISHING THOSE PLAYERS WHO THROW THE GAME, INSTEAD OF PUNISHING THOSE PLAYERS WHO TYPE BECAUSE THEY ARE JUST ASKING THAT THROWER TO JUST PLAY. I THINK THE DEV. TEAM OF THIS GAME IS TRYING TO KILL THIS GAME BY ALLOWING WEAK MINDED STUPID PEOPLE TO RUIN THE GAME WHILE THOSE POEPLE WHO ARE JUST COMPLAINING, I REALLY DON'T GET THE LOGIC OF THAT ♥♥♥♥ TOO BECAUSE THERE'S A MUTE BUTTON IF YOU REALLY DON'T WANT TO HEAR THE PERSON. ADDING COMMUNICATION ABUSE ON THE REPORT CHOICES IS JUST A ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ ♥♥♥♥♥ MOVE BY THE ONE WHO DECIDE TO PUT THAT SH8 IN. PROBABLY A SNOWFLAKE WHO GETS OFFENDED EASILY, AND A PERSON WHO IS NOT FUN TO BE AROUND WITH. PROBABLY WITH AN AWFUL ATTITUDE BECAUSE THEY WOULD RATHER LOSE AND THROW THE GAME THAN TO ADJUST WITH THE TEAM AND GET OUT OF THEIR COMFORT ZONE. I HOPE ONE OF THEM CAN READ THIS AND KILLS THEMSELVES BECAUSE THEY ARE THE REASON WHY PEOPLE IN THIS TIME ARE SO WEAK AND SENSITIVE.

[vongogh]

I used to DISAGREE to this, but people surrender all the time, we just don't have a button for it. If team mates agree that there is hope late game, then carry on, but if you are stuck with people who are actively throwing, give us a way out, the game is lost anyway.

[Sh. Fred]

Originally posted by Deepbluediver:

The problem, OP, is that people won't just use it in the late-game when they are down 35-7. They will start spamming it as soon as First Blood happens, or someone picks a hero they don't like, and they just upset at their team, etc etc etc.

If you want to be able to surrender, find some friends and make 5-stack. Don't put your faith in random pubs.

Just passing through here, but they could add a timer limit for it.
Like 20 mins for Turbo and 30 for normals/ ranked to prevent abuse.

[Kagami]

Originally posted by Sh. Fred:

Originally posted by Deepbluediver:

The problem, OP, is that people won't just use it in the late-game when they are down 35-7. They will start spamming it as soon as First Blood happens, or someone picks a hero they don't like, and they just upset at their team, etc etc etc.

If you want to be able to surrender, find some friends and make 5-stack. Don't put your faith in random pubs.

Just passing through here, but they could add a timer limit for it.
Like 20 mins for Turbo and 30 for normals/ ranked to prevent abuse.

The problem with dota2 community is nothing can satisfy them. If lets say they will put the button on 60 minutes (on normal game) and 45 minutes (on turbo game). Many people here will complaint that its too long to wait.

[Sh. Fred]

Originally posted by Kagami:

Originally posted by Sh. Fred:

Just passing through here, but they could add a timer limit for it.
Like 20 mins for Turbo and 30 for normals/ ranked to prevent abuse.

The problem with dota2 community is nothing can satisfy them. If lets say they will put the button on 60 minutes (on normal game) and 45 minutes (on turbo game). Many people here will complaint that its too long to wait.

I feel like they could also add some kind of a condition where the game can tell if the difference between the team scores goes past 20 or something, the option would be come available.

This way people wouldn't throw a close game but if, let's say you're behind 40-7 and there's no way in hell a team is coming back from that, you wouldn't have to suffer at the fountain while watching the enemy team also drag it out for giggles.

[MVP_lCE™]

In the past, I used to agree with the idealism for the implementation of surrender or calling for GG as a sign of give-up.

However, after a few conflicts with certain minds across the forum, I started to have new thoughts that we as the humans should never give up because if we are to give up in no matter what form, then what is the logic for us to get involved with an issue that being assigned to us? Why the Almighty God assign an issue to us? For troubling us? For trolling us?

Try and rethink what is the reason you made that decision to go into that arena for the battle. If you can find out the reason, it can be a good findings and improvement to your next game. Or the best I think is, "click the abandon to directly surrender to surrender by using your true identity that carries your pride!" - Otherwise, you better continue to play the game with your energy because it was your mind that decides for the clicking decision (play Dota & Find Match).

Regards,
MVP_lCE