How does aether lense stacking work?

[ThunderWarrior]

^^^^^^^

[Multi]

spell range doesnt stack at all, the damage amp stacks additively (18% with one, 26% with 2. not the actual numers, but an example)

[Apocalypse]

Originally posted by Finn the Multiple:

spell range doesnt stack at all, the damage amp stacks additively (18% with one, 26% with 2. not the actual numers, but an example)

Additively, right? But 18 +18 is not 26 ;)

[Woody]

Originally posted by Apocalypse:

Originally posted by Finn the Multiple:

spell range doesnt stack at all, the damage amp stacks additively (18% with one, 26% with 2. not the actual numers, but an example)

Additively, right? But 18 +18 is not 26 ;)

Yes it should stack additively so having 3 will be 8+8+8=24% bonus damage. Only other thing that stacks is the stats you get so the armor and regen.

[Multi]

Originally posted by Apocalypse:

Originally posted by Finn the Multiple:

spell range doesnt stack at all, the damage amp stacks additively (18% with one, 26% with 2. not the actual numers, but an example)

Additively, right? But 18 +18 is not 26 ;)

additively doesnt mean fully. it's like crit, bf, or lifesteal on wk. If it stacked fully you could build 3 aether lenses and get 54% bonus damage on any spell. But because it stacks additively it ends up being like 30-something.

Once again i dont know the exact formula dota uses, and you could look it up, but it's like most damage modifiers in the game. it doesnt stack 100%. that would be broken.

however the damage amp stacks with the damage amps from decrep, veil, etc. so building stuff like that would be strong if you've got the farm.

only a few things in the game stack fully. like brood ulti stacks with other lifesteal items.

[Woody]

Originally posted by Finn the Multiple:

Originally posted by Apocalypse:

Additively, right? But 18 +18 is not 26 ;)

additively doesnt mean fully. it's like crit, bf, or lifesteal on wk. If it stacked fully you could build 3 aether lenses and get 54% bonus damage on any spell. But because it stacks additively it ends up being like 30-something.

Additively does mean fully, crit doesn't stack like that but the rest you mentioned do.

[dreamEnd]

The damage stack but the Range doesn't
so for example
300 spell dmg (before reduction) with 1 aether lens (8%) = 324
300 spell dmg (before reduction) with 2 aether lens (8% + 8%) = 348
And so on.
Though i didnt recommend it since the damage increase is kinda minimum, even for heavy nuke hero such as Zeus/Lesh/Timber, most heroes have 25% base magic resist, and if they saw you bought a multiple aether, they will get either cloak,pipe,or bkb.

[TripleSteal-]

sether lense range bonuses do not stack.
spell dmg amplify just sum up, same as cleave dmg. spell amplify of one lens doesnt affect spell amplify of the other one (so it's simply 8%*quantity of lenses).
building more than 1 aether lens is inneficient, get a veil if u want spell dmg boost.

[Multi]

Originally posted by woody36:

Originally posted by Finn the Multiple:

additively doesnt mean fully. it's like crit, bf, or lifesteal on wk. If it stacked fully you could build 3 aether lenses and get 54% bonus damage on any spell. But because it stacks additively it ends up being like 30-something.

Additively does mean fully, crit doesn't stack like that but the rest you mentioned do.

is that right? then why does the brood one specify that it stacks fully when the rest use different wording?

and i dont think bf stacks perfectly either.

[Woody]

Originally posted by Finn the Multiple:

Originally posted by woody36:

Additively does mean fully, crit doesn't stack like that but the rest you mentioned do.

is that right? then why does the brood one specify that it stacks fully when the rest use different wording?

and i dont think bf stacks perfectly either.

I would guess maybe it used not to but I have no idea. Yeah cleave stacks, with empower sven does more damage to cleave targets compared to the unit he is hitting.

[Multi]

Originally posted by woody36:

Originally posted by Finn the Multiple:

is that right? then why does the brood one specify that it stacks fully when the rest use different wording?

and i dont think bf stacks perfectly either.

I would guess maybe it used not to but I have no idea. Yeah cleave stacks, with empower sven does more damage to cleave targets compared to the unit he is hitting.

yes, cleave stacks, but i dont think stacking 3 battlefuries stacks absolutely perfectly

[Woody]

Originally posted by Finn the Multiple:

Originally posted by woody36:

I would guess maybe it used not to but I have no idea. Yeah cleave stacks, with empower sven does more damage to cleave targets compared to the unit he is hitting.

yes, cleave stacks, but i dont think stacking 3 battlefuries stacks absolutely perfectly

The cleave aspect of it does, i.e. if you have 2 sources of 10% cleave you will get 20% cleave damage. The distance doesn't of course.

[Woody]

http://dota2.gamepedia.com/Cleave

''Cleave Stacking

Cleave also fully stacks with other sources of cleave. Each source of cleave works fully independent. Their damage is not summed up, each of them deal their own instance of damage.

As an example, Sven with level 4 Great Great Cleave, buffed with a level 4 Empower and 2 Battle Furies will deal 4 instances of damage on each attack to units within 200 range infront of him, 3 damage instances to units within 200-280 range and 1 instance to units within 280-300 range. This is because in this scenario, one source has a radius of 200, 2 of them have 280 radius and one has 300 radius, so all 4 hit units within 200 range, but only one of them hits units up to 300 range away.
In this scenario, units within 200 radius take 186% damage from cleave, units between 200-280 range take 136% damage and units between 280-300 take 66% damage.''

So yes cleave stacks fully.

[Deepbluediver]

Is Aether-Lens stacking really a thing? I feel like it's a good mid-game item but in the long run you'd be better off just getting 1 and then going for something like Scepter or Octarine Core.

[ThunderWarrior]

Originally posted by Deepbluediver:

Is Aether-Lens stacking really a thing? I feel like it's a good mid-game item but in the long run you'd be better off just getting 1 and then going for something like Scepter or Octarine Core.

Yeah I know. There are items like veil which are better. I was just currious.

[Woody]

Even dagon is better most of the time too.