Matchmaking and MMR system is rigged to the core!

[Sailor Twift]

I have played dota for over 4 years now and have under 4488 matches under my ranked belt, out of which 461 matches are MVPs (>10%). I have seen my MMR rise up to 600+ just to drop back down to 100+ from consecutive losses with a margin of 40+ kills to opposition and under 10 kills for our team. Safe to say all of these imbalance "losing" game are made by the system for me to be paired into after seeing rising MMR from the few previous matches. This type of occurrence has not only happen once but countless of times throughout my 4 year playing this game. And all these type of stupid losses from dumb matchmaking system have these type of following traits:-
(i) Offlane players picking heroes like drow, NP, etc just to start feeding - needless to say i am not even sure why they have been paired into my game as clearly their experience level is low
(ii) Sup player for offlaner picks heores like WK, sven that can't even help much resulting in feeding almost immediately - again it is lack of experience
(iii) Mid players picking drow which has very low win rate resulting in team losing due to early lane failure. As when that happens drow needs to farm for a long time and the team's carry heroes like spectre, sven also take a long time farming. When this scenario happens, it is almost 100% certain that a lost is imminent as the opposition will push early to win the game. To make matters worst, there have been countless games like that the mid picks drow last after the safe lane picked heroes like spectre, sven, etc. Again this is attributed to lack of experience as the win rate for drow is so low that picking her as the last pick after safe lane picked is too risky.

Some of this losing games also baffles me to the core. Like after a result of 40+ to opposition vs <10 for us, i will check on the best players from the opposition. To my surprise, some of them have just started playing in early 2024 (only a few months from the time of writing this) and have only 140 matches with a handful of matches being MVP (<10%). And their post on the dota page indicates that they have attained things like rampage in their previous games, attained 5 star herald in just 5 months after they started playing. One can work out just how fast per month they have progressed from a 1 star herald up to 5 star herald in 5 months. Could they be smurfing? How could dota matchmaking system allow this to happen. This is so frustrating as i have tried almost every thing to increase my MMR but with a rigged matchmaking system as described above, it is impossible for me.

I may now have come to a point where i think this game is a waste of time, rigged to the core and i might just quit playing altogether.

The saddest part is that this type of matchmaking happens on a daily basis and it is apparent that dota is not doing anything to improve it.

Mind you, most of the games that i won are nothing like 40+ to us and <10 to opposition. Most of them are hard fought with close score between the teams when it concludes.

[Absche]

You already found a recipe to avoid bad gaming experience. Just do it! Follow your findings, take the consequences.
But honestly, all issues i) - iii) can be avoided by playing in a full team. This would increase the gaming experience in general. But playing solo, you accept to play with what the player pool offers.

[Sailor Twift]

Originally posted by Kagami:

Sometimes quitting is not such a bad idea. After all dota is free to play game. You can always find a free to play game that more fun and suited than dota.

Herald 1 to herald 5 (600mmr) is achievable in playing for a few month. Even with only 55-65 percent win rate.

i am not so sure if it is achievable in a few months in just 140 games. You can easily work out the rate of progress from Herald 1 to 5 in those amount of games. Say for example, you need to win 4-5 matches consecutively to climb from Herald 1 to Herald 2, so he would have won 25 consecutive matches in 140 games in any fashion. With dota matchmaking system seemingly "not allowing" you to win more than 5 -7 matches consecutively, the math just doesn't work out for him to reach Herald 5 in just 140 matches. It is just too apparent that someone can smurf or bypass the system in some ways to take advantage of it.

I can even post that match ID for dota to investigate that player. Wayyyy to apparent Dota! How can a match or even so many matches end up us losing 40+ to <10 with these winning players only played a handful of games with <10% MVP while i have played over 4k games out of which >10% are MVPs.

[HardNRG]

Originally posted by PekingDuck:

Originally posted by Kagami:

Sometimes quitting is not such a bad idea. After all dota is free to play game. You can always find a free to play game that more fun and suited than dota.

Herald 1 to herald 5 (600mmr) is achievable in playing for a few month. Even with only 55-65 percent win rate.

i am not so sure if it is achievable in a few months in just 140 games. You can easily work out the rate of progress from Herald 1 to 5 in those amount of games. Say for example, you need to win 4-5 matches consecutively to climb from Herald 1 to Herald 2, so he would have won 25 consecutive matches in 140 games in any fashion. With dota matchmaking system seemingly "not allowing" you to win more than 5 -7 matches consecutively, the math just doesn't work out for him to reach Herald 5 in just 140 matches. It is just too apparent that someone can smurf or bypass the system in some ways to take advantage of it.

I can even post that match ID for dota to investigate that player. Wayyyy to apparent Dota! How can a match or even so many matches end up us losing 40+ to <10 with these winning players only played a handful of games with <10% MVP while i have played over 4k games out of which >10% are MVPs.

We are talking about herald ranks, really? I remember when I started 6 years ago, and I almost skipped that rank completely. Almost. I was there, but not longer than a few weeks lol.

And yes, if you're still at herald after 4k games, there's no reason for you to play. Sorry. Hope you find something else that brings you joy.

[StaticRD]

matchmaking was rigged in dota long before you started playing 4 years ago. Everyone knows its been rigged for longest but players keep playing it cuz there addicted to the highs and lows it gives you. The only way to break the macthmaking coding is to 5 stack and you teammates cant be bad either. By doing this your eliminating 1 factor of the rigged matchmaking which is getting a paid actor on your team. Your still gonna run into smurfs but at least your eliminating the possibility of the bad player being on your team

[Kugelschreiber]

What baffles me more, is the fact that u have 4,5k games and obviously never heard of recalibration...

[白色の风车]

it was intended. higher win rate and other performance indicator with good numeric score will likely get assigned with lower win rate player that slight higher rank than your current rank.

vice versra, same for low winrate player.
even if all medal equally same tier, there are other indicators also will consider during match making.

otherwise, for instance 5 divine player that have 60-70% winrate against 5 divine player all have 40-50 winrate will look unfair for them

[Sailor Twift]

Originally posted by Kugelschreiber:

What baffles me more, is the fact that u have 4,5k games and obviously never heard of recalibration...

What also baffles me is that you assumed that i have not heard of recalibration. I have recalibrated and still end up with with these players (i)-(iii) who have no idea what they are doing. Would appreciate if you actually asked rather than assumed

[The Coal Man]

Welcome to America.

[卫]

The matchmaking system is really terrible. Players on both sides are unable to have a good gaming experience, mainly due to:
Huge skill differences between teammates and significant disparities in the levels of the two teams.
I can accept longer matchmaking times, but I don't want the matchmaking system to ruin my entire game.
I will keep Dota2 uninstalled until the matchmaking mechanism is updated. I will only reinstall it if there's an improvement.

[Kugelschreiber]

Originally posted by PekingDuck:

Originally posted by Kugelschreiber:

What baffles me more, is the fact that u have 4,5k games and obviously never heard of recalibration...

What also baffles me is that you assumed that i have not heard of recalibration. I have recalibrated and still end up with with these players (i)-(iii) who have no idea what they are doing. Would appreciate if you actually asked rather than assumed

And i would appreciate, if you put such information into ur original post bruh…nonetheless to me it looks like a big skill issue, like i lost my rank twice due to inactivity or idk new season and went up from herald 2 (rock bottom) to archon 5 official rank and hidden rank like ancient 5, in less than 2k games…so i have a hard time believing that ur mates are at fault 100% of the time.
Teammates that u described in ur points 1-3 rarely happen in crusader and above, and if ur still stuck in herald or guardian after all ur games and recalibration then im sorry to say, but u simply cant be helped and probably just suck at the game

[Sailor Twift]

Originally posted by Kugelschreiber:

Originally posted by PekingDuck:

What also baffles me is that you assumed that i have not heard of recalibration. I have recalibrated and still end up with with these players (i)-(iii) who have no idea what they are doing. Would appreciate if you actually asked rather than assumed

And i would appreciate, if you put such information into ur original post bruh…nonetheless to me it looks like a big skill issue, like i lost my rank twice due to inactivity or idk new season and went up from herald 2 (rock bottom) to archon 5 official rank and hidden rank like ancient 5, in less than 2k games…so i have a hard time believing that ur mates are at fault 100% of the time.
Teammates that u described in ur points 1-3 rarely happen in crusader and above, and if ur still stuck in herald or guardian after all ur games and recalibration then im sorry to say, but u simply cant be helped and probably just suck at the game

Omittance of info in original post does not justify one to go straight into an assumption like you did. The world of dota would do better with less toxic people like you. Sorry to say your attitude suck big time and i would banned you from my post from now on.

[vongogh]

People who say smurf everywhere, 50/50 win rate, Valve must surely give you a smurf teammate if he gave the other team a smurf, 50/50 right? If you constantly lose to smurf, then surely it's not 50/50. Why is valve so unfair to you though.

What does Valve gain by keeping you at low MMR? I mean they make content, people do quests and achievements, they play, Valve makes game changing patches, people keep playing, try out new things, if you say all of that is designed to keep you playing (and in misery), I believe you. Fixing games for every single player requires insane amounts of compute power, data crunching everyone's data everyday. They don't need to do that to keep you playing, or to keep you miserable when you already are without Dota.

[Kugelschreiber]

Originally posted by PekingDuck:

Originally posted by Kugelschreiber:

And i would appreciate, if you put such information into ur original post bruh…nonetheless to me it looks like a big skill issue, like i lost my rank twice due to inactivity or idk new season and went up from herald 2 (rock bottom) to archon 5 official rank and hidden rank like ancient 5, in less than 2k games…so i have a hard time believing that ur mates are at fault 100% of the time.
Teammates that u described in ur points 1-3 rarely happen in crusader and above, and if ur still stuck in herald or guardian after all ur games and recalibration then im sorry to say, but u simply cant be helped and probably just suck at the game

Omittance of info in original post does not justify one to go straight into an assumption like you did. The world of dota would do better with less toxic people like you. Sorry to say your attitude suck big time and i would banned you from my post from now on.

I still wonder what ur goal is here, like what do you want to achieve by crying out loud what u feel in the forums?
If the game u play is that bad for you then stop playing…its easy as that…so i dont understand what kind of answers u expect buddy…in the end i couldnt care less what you do or dont, cuz i have a blast of a lifetime playing this game, im good at the game and u seem like the complete opposite, your a lvl 4 private profile with 3 friends, one of your names literally was: pick IO = gg/endfast…how could anyone take u serious…well so if it is attention u seek…here i am, do you want jesters? Sorry dont have any for you…you want confirmation from your bubble? sorry im not one from ur bubble crying how „trash“ the game is yet still continues playing…
if you mean business send your dotabuff link and we see if it is ur team thats griefing or just you…if you dont…well then you only comfirm my assumptions