Cant make DOTA run VULKAN

[Davys]

Hello fellow Dota players, i need your assistance,

i have tryed for many days to make dota run in Vulkan API due to low fps in DX11 in certain scenarios ( heavy cpu usage ) low 50's-60 . I got a decent CPU & gpu i would say a 5600H and 3070. things i tryed : removing drivers , updating & checkin dota , adding DLC vulkan , new profile name ( as it appears _ %& characters like this may give issues ) installing new fresh windows and doing all above ( 2 times , w 10 and w 11 ) asking for support from steam ( got some ' i dont care ' love from steam team ) they said i shuld ask you , the community so that you can do STEAM's JOB.
So here i am , this is the situation ... any tips ?
BTW it worked at some point last year on this exact laptop and it was RUNING GREAT 144 LOCKED . now i got to deal with drops in low 50's and stutters for no reason .

THANKS !

[MVP_lCE™]

Originally posted by Davys:

Hello fellow Dota players, i need your assistance,

i have tryed for many days to make dota run in Vulkan API due to low fps in DX11 in certain scenarios ( heavy cpu usage ) low 50's-60 . I got a decent CPU & gpu i would say a 5600H and 3070. things i tryed : removing drivers , updating & checkin dota , adding DLC vulkan , new profile name ( as it appears _ %& characters like this may give issues ) installing new fresh windows and doing all above ( 2 times , w 10 and w 11 ) asking for support from steam ( got some ' i dont care ' love from steam team ) they said i shuld ask you , the community so that you can do STEAM's JOB.
So here i am , this is the situation ... any tips ?
BTW it worked at some point last year on this exact laptop and it was RUNING GREAT 144 LOCKED . now i got to deal with drops in low 50's and stutters for no reason .

THANKS !

Provide some details or specs of your machine such as CPU (with model & cache frequency), RAM (with frequency), GPU (model & total memory).

[Davys]

Originally posted by MVP_ICE:

Originally posted by Davys:

Hello fellow Dota players, i need your assistance,

i have tryed for many days to make dota run in Vulkan API due to low fps in DX11 in certain scenarios ( heavy cpu usage ) low 50's-60 . I got a decent CPU & gpu i would say a 5600H and 3070. things i tryed : removing drivers , updating & checkin dota , adding DLC vulkan , new profile name ( as it appears _ %& characters like this may give issues ) installing new fresh windows and doing all above ( 2 times , w 10 and w 11 ) asking for support from steam ( got some ' i dont care ' love from steam team ) they said i shuld ask you , the community so that you can do STEAM's JOB.
So here i am , this is the situation ... any tips ?
BTW it worked at some point last year on this exact laptop and it was RUNING GREAT 144 LOCKED . now i got to deal with drops in low 50's and stutters for no reason .

THANKS !

Provide some details or specs of your machine such as CPU (with model & cache frequency), RAM (with frequency), GPU (model & total memory).

I did its right in my post maybe not all details but i dont see how my 16gb ram would influence since all are above what is needed ... amd ryzen 5600H 4.0 ghz , 16gb ddr4 ram at 3200 mhz (8x8) 3070 RTX 8gb gddr6

[MVP_lCE™]

Originally posted by Davys:

Originally posted by MVP_ICE:

Provide some details or specs of your machine such as CPU (with model & cache frequency), RAM (with frequency), GPU (model & total memory).

I did its right in my post maybe not all details but i dont see how my 16gb ram would influence since all are above what is needed ... amd ryzen 5600H 4.0 ghz , 16gb ddr4 ram at 3200 mhz (8x8) 3070 RTX 8gb gddr6

TL, DR; I think if you check the benchmarks of those, you have good CPU, GPU, and RAM to go for gaming. If you said the "fps" of your monitor/screen dropped that much, I doubt you forgot the MAIN power source/supply of your gaming laptop. If you want the hardwares of your gaming laptop especially the main processing units within CPU & GPU to work efficiently with each other, your machine must use the Main Power Supply (cable) that connected to your wall socket. Gaming laptop can be good but the performance probably drop a lot if you gaming by using the integrated Battery only as the Power Supply (a lot of hardwares performance will drop based on the percentage of the battery).

Make sure your machine(PC) or the gaming laptop has good cooling system also or you may use "table fan" as your extra cooling. :) - Most gaming laptops have something known as "Thermal or Heat Throttling" where it will auto-detect the temperature of the hardwares, performances may be locked at certain stage to prevent over-heating. To profoundly understand the power consumption, during gaming time, your PC GPU & CPU will consume the most powers and both of them always require continuous stable supply of electrical powers. I can say, if the power supply drop by 50%, then their performance may drop by half also. Thus, your machine unable to generate the best "outlook" for your gaming.

Btw, what do you mean by "removing drivers"? Do you uninstall your PC drivers which automatically installed for you? If you uninstall certain drivers, it may cause certain integrated hardware on your gaming laptop to lost its function. The drivers of your machine(PC) can be known as "languages" or ways for PC hardwares to communicate with your PC Operating System. For example, if you uninstall a certain driver, then your PC Operating System(such as Windows) may unable to "speak/contact" with certain hardware that lost its driver. That's why "COMMUNICATION" is very important in our lives including the Dota 2 game because it involves the process of exchanging information between different entities. - Hope it helps :)

[Zockolade]

Even Valve can barely make this game run on Vulkan .. look all this texture shader glitches and positioning problems. But hey even in DirectX Venomancer places invisible Plague Wards.

[MVP_lCE™]

Originally posted by Zockolade:

Even Valve can barely make this game run on Vulkan .. look all this texture shader glitches and positioning problems. But hey even in DirectX Venomancer places invisible Plague Wards.

I always play with Vulkan setting. Quite true for some failures in model textures and shadering. However, to me, restarting the whole game client can help to resolve the issue on texture shadering or glitching.

[Davys]

Honestly MVP if i said i installed w10&11 and did all those tests you think i would not have pluged in the laptop ? This is as helpfull as saying are you sure your pc is pluged in during a call with support. Ofc its pluged in, ofc i use msi afterburner to track temperature. Its 70c tops. Its runing in high performance mode in power settings too. And by removing drivers i mean i did try as well with Nvidia studio drivers if you know what that is. Also as a note i got a degree in Computer science (aka i know my way in googling things) . That is why its fustrating. I cant find the reason Vulkan API does not want to run on a compatible pc with latest drivers on a CLEAN pc. When all other games (and i tested that too, work perfectly fine....). I dont want to be rude, dont take it wrong, but evasive anwers is all i got for some time. Maybe some 1 can give insights in error logs in console or other logging done ingame that i am not aware of or there is no clear thread.

[MVP_lCE™]

Originally posted by Davys:

Honestly MVP if i said i installed w10&11 and did all those tests you think i would not have pluged in the laptop ? This is as helpfull as saying are you sure your pc is pluged in during a call with support. Ofc its pluged in, ofc i use msi afterburner to track temperature. Its 70c tops. Its runing in high performance mode in power settings too. And by removing drivers i mean i did try as well with Nvidia studio drivers if you know what that is. Also as a note i got a degree in Computer science (aka i know my way in googling things) . That is why its fustrating. I cant find the reason Vulkan API does not want to run on a compatible pc with latest drivers on a CLEAN pc. When all other games (and i tested that too, work perfectly fine....). I dont want to be rude, dont take it wrong, but evasive anwers is all i got for some time. Maybe some 1 can give insights in error logs in console or other logging done ingame that i am not aware of or there is no clear thread.

Don't use the MSI afterburner. That is not an application to work exactly with your Graphic Card which been manufactured by Nvidia. If you are using Nvidia product, then better go and search for Nvidia apps such as Geforce Experience.

MSI afterburner is just an application that simply push your PC hardware to unknown status and it may spoil your hardware because it is created for MSI machine. IIRC the MSI afterburner is an overclocking application which always failing the gamers and causes a lot of overheating issues. :) hope it helps.

[Davys]

No chatgpt. It does not. That is not my issue, it was used to track temperatureof cpu/gpu not to oc the gpu. Why do you nitpick insted of saying, and i allready said its 70c. Is that overheating?? i realey do belive you are a chatbot. You cant follow a discussion can you????? Afterburner has nothing to do with my issue... And yes i can say that cos now its not even installed.. I said dota is in a clean and clean i mean the only program instaled except drivers.

[vongogh]

Your laptop should run Dota fine at the old speeds you mentioned, since it did, and since game runs ok for the rest of us, it might be something else. How old is your video card driver is it up to date? What about anti-virus scans causing issue. Try pulling up task manager while maybe in a bot game, alt tab to see the high processes usage during game play.

[MVP_lCE™]

Originally posted by Davys:

No chatgpt. It does not. That is not my issue, it was used to track temperatureof cpu/gpu not to oc the gpu. Why do you nitpick insted of saying, and i allready said its 70c. Is that overheating?? i realey do belive you are a chatbot. You cant follow a discussion can you????? Afterburner has nothing to do with my issue... And yes i can say that cos now its not even installed.. I said dota is in a clean and clean i mean the only program instaled except drivers.

Open your Nvidia Control Panel and monitor your hardware from there.

And, maybe the in-game video settings has wrong setup? The max fps allowed for in-game and dashboard. You need to make a lot of tests by yourself already and make sure your GPU is actively working and running when your Dota 2 game is running. Most important is, don't play game by using the battery as power supply.

MSI can be a Graphic Card manufacturer but the chipsets or components of the GPU are produced by Nvidia. :) that's what I know.

[Davys]

Originally posted by vongogh:

Your laptop should run Dota fine at the old speeds you mentioned, since it did, and since game runs ok for the rest of us, it might be something else. How old is your video card driver is it up to date? What about anti-virus scans causing issue. Try pulling up task manager while maybe in a bot game, alt tab to see the high processes usage during game play.

Hi vangoh, all drivers are up to date 560 if i remember correctly. There is no virus or anything of the sort its a clean copy of windows with all drivers up to date.And gpu cpu temps and usage seem normal.. I can run any other game fine... My issue is with trying to lunch vulkan api. Vulkan is a lot better in some scenarios like multiple units. It uses cpu more efficiently, in demo if i spawn 10heroes like in a normal game and i move them @ it will be in low 50's even at low settings. Gpu overhead is no issue. I have looked it up dx11 is running bad on thease 5600h cpus... That is why i know for a fact that vulkan is better cos it worked max setiings 120fps. Now for some reason it refuses to lunch with vulkan

[D4C]

use window,problem solve

[vongogh]

I just tried it, doesn't work either, not with launch option -vulkan, or the video setting. Where the video setting after relaunch says something like "Vulkan DLC installation required", but DX 11 is in use, likewise with the launch option. The vulkan commands are not available in the console like `vulkan_memgr_print`, that was from the vulkan github page github[dot]com/ValveSoftware/Dota-2-Vulkan

Looked at the store page, no Vulkan DLC... so was it removed? Temporary due to new update or what?

[Davys]

yea , seems to be an issue with new patch .... tryed literally for days to make it work , no solution and steam support is useless

[MVP_lCE™]

Originally posted by Davys:

yea , seems to be an issue with new patch .... tryed literally for days to make it work , no solution and steam support is useless

You having the issue with a lot of models turned up "boxing", right? I think you may try use back DirectX11. Everything seems good to me when I am using DX11 now. The Vulkan may seems newer, but some hardware maybe not compatible for certain parts.