Matchmaking / player pools

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Let me make a reservation right away, I’m not complaining about the fact that my games are constantly being ruined, I don’t want to prove to anyone that I play for 50 thousand mmr and all my losses happen only because of bad selection, I’m not saying that my account is in a hidden pool and I’m not trying to somehow blame the developers for this, etc. This topic is about something completely different. Let's go.

I have a very interesting question about the mechanics of team selection.

Just a couple of weeks ago my games looked completely different from what is happening now, I’ll explain: all players had a chat, 9/10 players on the map had progress in the event, the steam accounts of these players were at least somehow decorated and had at least some level, all the players played Dota, in general it was clear that those people with whom I play are the account owners.

What is happening now: each team has 3-4 players with 1 level in the event or have no progress in it at all, 2-3 players without chat, in each game in one or both teams at once there are obvious account buyers, yesterday a guy was recorded with a full page of victories on dotabuff in a group of 3 people with a bunch of IO Marci, boosted accounts also began to appear regularly, Today in my team there were 2 guys who had 2 thousand matches each, but they had UNCONFIGED steam accounts and they didn’t have avatars, they weren’t in the group, and in general everything that happens on the screen is very faintly reminiscent of Dota 2.

In general the feeling is that the games are taking place in a smurfpool, where people with 500-1500 mmr bought or boosted accounts, the system sees this and separates them from the main pool of players. I encountered this about 6 months ago, in absolutely every game I came across accounts with 300-500 matches, despite the fact that at that time I already had about 7 THOUSAND matches, and it is literally obvious that everyone who played on those accounts is not new players but then these matches simply disappeared and players who have 3-7 thousand matches each, who understand what’s happening on their screens, have returned to matches, in general, Dota has returned. Why this happened, I don't know.

As a matter of fact, all this raises questions about why at different periods of time the selection of games begins to work completely differently, and not just differently, but radically differently at its core. What happens on the screen during periods of mainpool games and during periods of smurfpool matches are two different worlds. What causes such a difference in the selection of players? Your thoughts? Personally, I don't understand this at all...

By the way, about 3 weeks ago videos began to appear on YouTube about checking an account for the pool of games in which it falls into, I watched it out of curiosity, in the “smurf category” column I had the number 5, it seems like it’s a mainpool, and it would be strange that the account in which I play Dota for 11 years would have been in some other pool, but now, after a series of strange games, I decided to check this number and... This column simply does not exist in the console. If you know how to find this column in the console and it’s not difficult for you, please check whether you still have this line.

[❁︎ ☭︎Wazahhh]

You have a point and valve has a bot to distract others about what you are saying with stupid personal inquiries at the first comment, they do the same in reddit...
it was somewhat automated in reddit, and is,to have default narratives that move people away from the point...


but sadly while that is true, volvo is pulling an ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ move on the most popular linux distro and making it fail consistently,in some macs too, update after update, go look the github repos were they report bugs and you can try to get someone to talk to you about it if you are really interested in insisting until you are heard... your voice hear is just at the top of a pile that only mods that don't care about anything more than reports will review... probably not... but yeah that should affect only a small % of players so I'm not sure whats going with matchmaking but the shadowpooling and griefing gets sadly paired to an influx of noobs that get bugged tutorials...


so yeah try to make parties with old players, even if you have to mute and abandon them when your win rate falls... and act as if they were bots in the process... the matchmaking is broken in allowing any report to the have the same weight in conditions were people are angrily screaming with high blood pressure and thinking that giving every player the role of a refery can somehow fix this ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥...


And sorry but basically you went too far and wrote what people like kagami would consider a wall of text and get lost after a few sentences sadly, that's the main issue, and there are real people like him that can just get grumpy at too much text and start insulting you and not ever fixing or considering what you are talking about...

[Hiruzen Sarutobi]

Originally posted by Kagami:

I doubt they want to buy legend account when the divine account are cheap these days. 11 years in dota with only 50 percent win rate kinda obvious how your coordination and your reflex definitely decreasing. You are not as fast as you are 5 - 10 years ago. Age doesn’t lie.

And i see that in the last 3-4 days you keep finding match instantly after you lose. You seems to go into match without a break and calm down after angry of losing. Its not really a good idea. Take a drink break. Cigarettes break or whatever but don’t just do a marathon of match everytime you angry after losing.

So you are saying that this guy is at fault because of age. Then if that's the case then why aren't the people on his team playing better than him? I mean according to your wisdom you're saying this guy is playing like an old man. Well where are the young guys on his team that are supposed to carry him where the match is supposed to feel fair? Nobody just cries if they lose, they cry if they get stomped. So why do you think that this guy writing this article is the main problem when he is clearly saying that his team mates are not doing good? They aren't the same as the other times he's played. Why in your mind do you think that it's not the match making systems fault? Why are you basically accusing the author that they are emotionally unstable and they are the reason why the loses happen? Are you for real? You really believe that when it's clear that many players come to play dota just to rage or to play as a garbage hero for fun? Why is it the authors fault??? Cause they can't carry idiots on their team while the other team has people who want to win??? How do you come up with these freak show conclusions?

[Си́нтез]

I remember reading and hearing all kinds of stories, but what is weird that nobody mentions how every single dota match has a win and a loss. So each time you win, another player on enemy team claims his match was ruined by bad mm. Every match is in a smurf pool as you will never enocunter "clean" match with all 10 accounts have large number of games, decent profile, account age and profile comments that do not look too botted. I never seen a match where the guy said after "wow I lost a match but this is how dota works - one team has to lose. Even if you put top 5 players on the same team they will lose sometimes". But somehow every lost dota match is a conspiracy. So we have solid proof that 100% dota matches are 100% rigged, since every dota match someone loses.

[Hiruzen Sarutobi]

Originally posted by Си́нтез:

I remember reading and hearing all kinds of stories, but what is weird that nobody mentions how every single dota match has a win and a loss. So each time you win, another player on enemy team claims his match was ruined by bad mm. Every match is in a smurf pool as you will never enocunter "clean" match with all 10 accounts have large number of games, decent profile, account age and profile comments that do not look too botted. I never seen a match where the guy said after "wow I lost a match but this is how dota works - one team has to lose. Even if you put top 5 players on the same team they will lose sometimes". But somehow every lost dota match is a conspiracy. So we have solid proof that 100% dota matches are 100% rigged, since every dota match someone loses.

Yeah actually I see a bunch of players admit when it's their fault. Even I admit when it's my own fault why a match is lost.
But if you can't tell when a match is a complete stomp and you can tell the match making pool is giving you pure people who don't speak your language. You'd be a fool not to think something is wrong.

[Си́нтез]

Originally posted by Hiruzen Sarutobi:

Even I admit when it's my own fault why a match is lost.

Except now you would have to prove to another player on your team that doesn't agree with the loss that the match was actualyl fair. They may claim that the match was rigged.... Or it was bad pool of players. You will not be able to prove that, since you could have been the part of the group that was picked to fix the outcome of the match. Heck, your account could have been in the hands of another player, maybe your nephew was playing on your pc. See, you want grand conspiracy on one side, but you will somehow always be the exception to it, including all those who post same complaints about mm.

Have you ever seen people do dumb things on the job? Like someone signing documents all day and suddenyl sign the wrong document in the wrond place? But it is their job, their bread, and for pub player dota match is just another match. You can lose the match and it would affect you very little. So maybe the whole bad player conspiracy is just people making mistakes, considering, if you make a mistake and game gives you plenty of room for mistakes and now enemy player get the advantage cause game rules say so. It is that simple. No need to orchestrate matches of pick specific players. We and the game will create the chaotic outcome of the match that dota players will later attempt to write into a fictional story of all matches being somehow determined

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The problem here is that many people play ranked games occasionally and are matched with players who want to gain a higher rank. A person plays one ranking match a day, then has a break of 3-5 days, or even a week, and others come back after two months and immediately start a ranking match and play one match every day, and why? I guess he's just counting on luck to get MMR (they're like bots) play a normal all pick match, that way they only ruin the ranking for others. Since April 20, 2023, there have been 4,384,734 new acc, and the new player rating system is October and November? something like that. I'm not surprised that people buy and create new accounts, the behavior rating system is f u c k ed up. Old players may prefer to play turbo, like me, instead of wasting 30-45 minutes on a game with some idiots and Sunday players who play once in a while. It's clear from your matches that you have such players.

[Hiruzen Sarutobi]

Originally posted by Kagami:

Originally posted by Hiruzen Sarutobi:

So you are saying that this guy is at fault because of age. Then if that's the case then why aren't the people on his team playing better than him? I mean according to your wisdom you're saying this guy is playing like an old man. Well where are the young guys on his team that are supposed to carry him where the match is supposed to feel fair? Nobody just cries if they lose, they cry if they get stomped. So why do you think that this guy writing this article is the main problem when he is clearly saying that his team mates are not doing good? They aren't the same as the other times he's played. Why in your mind do you think that it's not the match making systems fault? Why are you basically accusing the author that they are emotionally unstable and they are the reason why the loses happen? Are you for real? You really believe that when it's clear that many players come to play dota just to rage or to play as a garbage hero for fun? Why is it the authors fault??? Cause they can't carry idiots on their team while the other team has people who want to win??? How do you come up with these freak show conclusions?

Yes for real its the OP fault because in competitive match like ranked match, you cannot just depends on your 4 teammates.

When you go to next match with all the anger you bring from the last match, you already lose focus and add to that he has slower reflexes from age, you should already know the outcome.

Yeah your point is hilarious. The game does not take super reflexes like COD does. You are over exaggerating big time. It's all about the picks and the players and it's clear OP is getting players who aren't picking in unison like the players he played with before.

So how does age have anything to do with it? Your point is irrelevant.

[Last_in_line]

Yes, the line about the Smurf was removed, only these were left:

account_id:-------
low_priority: false
is_new_player: false
is_guide_player: false
comm_level: 7
behavior_level: 4

[Hiruzen Sarutobi]

Originally posted by Kagami:

Originally posted by Hiruzen Sarutobi:

Yeah your point is hilarious. The game does not take super reflexes like COD does. You are over exaggerating big time. It's all about the picks and the players and it's clear OP is getting players who aren't picking in unison like the players he played with before.

So how does age have anything to do with it? Your point is irrelevant.

So you just proved my point. Your point is not valid, age doesn't matter in this game just like I had told you.

And what you just described as a support. Is not a support, what you described is a person who wants to play a hero that is a tank and is doing support objectives, but is still not ful filling the role of support. Everything you just described is what offlane does(Except for refilling a bottle). You have no business even typing in these forums when you aren't even good at the game and you clearly don't know what the roles are for. Cause support is way more important than just doing these baby jobs that you described such as "He still use his ability to support (stun and ult), warding, filling midlaner bottle, contess rune, harassing."
You forgot the main big part a support does, but I won't say it, cause I'm not about to enlighten a weird person who actually insults people and lies to them that they are bad because of age. Lol

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I don’t understand why you started discussing age here, irritation from defeats, and things completely unrelated to the topic of discussion, started arguing with each other, etc. I clearly wrote at the beginning that I don’t care about any defeats, I don’t I blame my teammates for them, I am absolutely calm after defeats and I don’t think about the last lost game when I start a new one, everything is fine with my psyche. Literally one guy with the nickname "Last_in_line" wrote his message on the topic of discussion. The theme is that at different periods of time there is a search for players who are completely different in their type, roughly speaking, for a month I play only with real accounts, the next month I play only with players who bought or boosted accounts. It doesn’t happen that in a series of games with real account owners I have 2 - 3 games with account buyers, either only originals, or only buyers, there is no third option. And I'm wondering if other users have encountered this. Please stop arguing with each other and write only on the topic of discussion. Also thanks to "Last_in_line" for sharing the information. Now that I know that I was not the only one who lost this line from the console, even more suspicions arose about the fraudulent selection system. I wonder why it was removed immediately after it was made public to a large audience.

[ʍolɟ ǝɥʇ ǝsɹǝʌǝɹ]

Play less until there is a soft reset on the hidden variables for your matchmaker. Everyone's matchmaker is unique to their account. Part of the reason it's so hard to get to any kind of consensus on match quality

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Originally posted by undefined:

Let me make a reservation right away, I’m not complaining about the fact that my games are constantly being ruined, I don’t want to prove to anyone that I play for 50 thousand mmr and all my losses happen only because of bad selection, I’m not saying that my account is in a hidden pool and I’m not trying to somehow blame the developers for this, etc. This topic is about something completely different. Let's go.

I have a very interesting question about the mechanics of team selection.

Just a couple of weeks ago my games looked completely different from what is happening now, I’ll explain: all players had a chat, 9/10 players on the map had progress in the event, the steam accounts of these players were at least somehow decorated and had at least some level, all the players played Dota, in general it was clear that those people with whom I play are the account owners.

What is happening now: each team has 3-4 players with 1 level in the event or have no progress in it at all, 2-3 players without chat, in each game in one or both teams at once there are obvious account buyers, yesterday a guy was recorded with a full page of victories on dotabuff in a group of 3 people with a bunch of IO Marci, boosted accounts also began to appear regularly, Today in my team there were 2 guys who had 2 thousand matches each, but they had UNCONFIGED steam accounts and they didn’t have avatars, they weren’t in the group, and in general everything that happens on the screen is very faintly reminiscent of Dota 2.

In general the feeling is that the games are taking place in a smurfpool, where people with 500-1500 mmr bought or boosted accounts, the system sees this and separates them from the main pool of players. I encountered this about 6 months ago, in absolutely every game I came across accounts with 300-500 matches, despite the fact that at that time I already had about 7 THOUSAND matches, and it is literally obvious that everyone who played on those accounts is not new players but then these matches simply disappeared and players who have 3-7 thousand matches each, who understand what’s happening on their screens, have returned to matches, in general, Dota has returned. Why this happened, I don't know.

As a matter of fact, all this raises questions about why at different periods of time the selection of games begins to work completely differently, and not just differently, but radically differently at its core. What happens on the screen during periods of mainpool games and during periods of smurfpool matches are two different worlds. What causes such a difference in the selection of players? Your thoughts? Personally, I don't understand this at all...

By the way, about 3 weeks ago videos began to appear on YouTube about checking an account for the pool of games in which it falls into, I watched it out of curiosity, in the “smurf category” column I had the number 5, it seems like it’s a mainpool, and it would be strange that the account in which I play Dota for 11 years would have been in some other pool, but now, after a series of strange games, I decided to check this number and... This column simply does not exist in the console. If you know how to find this column in the console and it’s not difficult for you, please check whether you still have this line.

Its because you're in the smurf playerpool matchmaking

because smurf pool is the actual matchmaking experience players are supposed to get but dota 2 developers decided not to do this for most players either due to cost or opportunity

As a developer its cost perspective
Most normie casual players don't notice the matchmaking problems to give a damn in normal mainpool games
Most smurfs serious players do notice the matchmaking problems to give a damn and thus they resort to smurf behaviours new steam accounts, new hardware ID etc but this is also the way to get new fresh account because the mainpool matchmaking games are ♥♥♥♥♥♥ beyond belief

Go and check your account flag number 5 used to mean smurf over 10 means your account is shadow pool which is another type of matchmaking playerpool


Dota 2 devs don't even need different types of matchmaking if they fixed the main matchmaking properly the fact that they had to make several types of matchmaking is the consequences of not making a good main matchmaking

Originally posted by Hiruzen Sarutobi:

Originally posted by Си́нтез:

I remember reading and hearing all kinds of stories, but what is weird that nobody mentions how every single dota match has a win and a loss. So each time you win, another player on enemy team claims his match was ruined by bad mm. Every match is in a smurf pool as you will never enocunter "clean" match with all 10 accounts have large number of games, decent profile, account age and profile comments that do not look too botted. I never seen a match where the guy said after "wow I lost a match but this is how dota works - one team has to lose. Even if you put top 5 players on the same team they will lose sometimes". But somehow every lost dota match is a conspiracy. So we have solid proof that 100% dota matches are 100% rigged, since every dota match someone loses.

Yeah actually I see a bunch of players admit when it's their fault. Even I admit when it's my own fault why a match is lost.
But if you can't tell when a match is a complete stomp and you can tell the match making pool is giving you pure people who don't speak your language. You'd be a fool not to think something is wrong.

Sad part is that he can't even tell for their own games

I've already done that for their games once and they straight up refused to acknowledge the matchmaking was giving them bad players at that point there's no hope for players like these when they don't wanna admit from their own games

This thread is too sane for the typical dota 2 discussion
Are you all GPT chat bots??

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Originally posted by ﷽﷽﷽﷽﷽﷽﷽﷽﷽﷽:

Originally posted by undefined:

Let me make a reservation right away, I’m not complaining about the fact that my games are constantly being ruined, I don’t want to prove to anyone that I play for 50 thousand mmr and all my losses happen only because of bad selection, I’m not saying that my account is in a hidden pool and I’m not trying to somehow blame the developers for this, etc. This topic is about something completely different. Let's go.

I have a very interesting question about the mechanics of team selection.

Just a couple of weeks ago my games looked completely different from what is happening now, I’ll explain: all players had a chat, 9/10 players on the map had progress in the event, the steam accounts of these players were at least somehow decorated and had at least some level, all the players played Dota, in general it was clear that those people with whom I play are the account owners.

What is happening now: each team has 3-4 players with 1 level in the event or have no progress in it at all, 2-3 players without chat, in each game in one or both teams at once there are obvious account buyers, yesterday a guy was recorded with a full page of victories on dotabuff in a group of 3 people with a bunch of IO Marci, boosted accounts also began to appear regularly, Today in my team there were 2 guys who had 2 thousand matches each, but they had UNCONFIGED steam accounts and they didn’t have avatars, they weren’t in the group, and in general everything that happens on the screen is very faintly reminiscent of Dota 2.

In general the feeling is that the games are taking place in a smurfpool, where people with 500-1500 mmr bought or boosted accounts, the system sees this and separates them from the main pool of players. I encountered this about 6 months ago, in absolutely every game I came across accounts with 300-500 matches, despite the fact that at that time I already had about 7 THOUSAND matches, and it is literally obvious that everyone who played on those accounts is not new players but then these matches simply disappeared and players who have 3-7 thousand matches each, who understand what’s happening on their screens, have returned to matches, in general, Dota has returned. Why this happened, I don't know.

As a matter of fact, all this raises questions about why at different periods of time the selection of games begins to work completely differently, and not just differently, but radically differently at its core. What happens on the screen during periods of mainpool games and during periods of smurfpool matches are two different worlds. What causes such a difference in the selection of players? Your thoughts? Personally, I don't understand this at all...

By the way, about 3 weeks ago videos began to appear on YouTube about checking an account for the pool of games in which it falls into, I watched it out of curiosity, in the “smurf category” column I had the number 5, it seems like it’s a mainpool, and it would be strange that the account in which I play Dota for 11 years would have been in some other pool, but now, after a series of strange games, I decided to check this number and... This column simply does not exist in the console. If you know how to find this column in the console and it’s not difficult for you, please check whether you still have this line.

Its because you're in the smurf playerpool matchmaking

because smurf pool is the actual matchmaking experience players are supposed to get but dota 2 developers decided not to do this for most players either due to cost or opportunity

As a developer its cost perspective
Most normie casual players don't notice the matchmaking problems to give a damn in normal mainpool games
Most smurfs serious players do notice the matchmaking problems to give a damn and thus they resort to smurf behaviours new steam accounts, new hardware ID etc but this is also the way to get new fresh account because the mainpool matchmaking games are ♥♥♥♥♥♥ beyond belief

Go and check your account flag number 5 used to mean smurf over 10 means your account is shadow pool which is another type of matchmaking playerpool


Dota 2 devs don't even need different types of matchmaking if they fixed the main matchmaking properly the fact that they had to make several types of matchmaking is the consequences of not making a good main matchmaking

Originally posted by Hiruzen Sarutobi:

Yeah actually I see a bunch of players admit when it's their fault. Even I admit when it's my own fault why a match is lost.
But if you can't tell when a match is a complete stomp and you can tell the match making pool is giving you pure people who don't speak your language. You'd be a fool not to think something is wrong.

Sad part is that he can't even tell for their own games

I've already done that for their games once and they straight up refused to acknowledge the matchmaking was giving them bad players at that point there's no hope for players like these when they don't wanna admit from their own games

This thread is too sane for the typical dota 2 discussion
Are you all GPT chat bots??

I wrote that when I checked, there was a number five in the “smurf category” column, when I checked it yesterday, the column was missing, one of the users confirmed this, writing that he also did not have this column in his console.

[Си́нтез]

Originally posted by ﷽﷽﷽﷽﷽﷽﷽﷽﷽﷽:

Sad part is that he can't even tell for their own games

I've already done that for their games once and they straight up refused to acknowledge the matchmaking was giving them bad players at that point there's no hope for players like these when they don't wanna admit from their own games

This thread is too sane for the typical dota 2 discussion
Are you all GPT chat bots??

There is flaw in this story. If matchmaking gives you bad players and gives another player bad players then if you meet that player as an enemy, how will matchmaking pick who has worse team? And what if you two get on the same team, which one of you is going to be that bbad player who supposed to lose the match.

Either way matchmaking won't find you professional dota players, plenty of people play video games to be lazy, relaxed, disgruntled etc. this will also affect their decisions

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Well, it seems like the problems that I described in this thread are no longer observed, but... New fun has begun... 100% of matches, I emphasize, 100% of matches have a behavior rating of 1, that is, the lowest possible. I am literally looking for nothing above unacceptable levels of behavior. After I played 50 - 70 matches with smurfpool accounts, there was a small win streak and now a new adventure... Today 2 games were with the most read ruiners, one went to feed in the mid from 0 minutes, the second picked PA to the 5th position and played, Well, how I played, I finished the match with a score of 0/0/0, despite the fact that I haven’t seen such ruiners in the game for 3 years. 18 games, 4 wins. And I am 100% sure that this is not related to the release of part 3 of the event, because absolutely all matches have the lowest level of behavior. At 10 thousand behavior, I get thrown into teams where 4 allies do not have a chat. I just have no words anymore... First they threw me into the smurf pool because of a change in provider, then they let me breathe a little and get my legitimate mmr back, which they blatantly took from me, and now they take even more for an unknown reason... Matchmaking doesn't work, Well, it’s okay, BUT THE COMICS ARE VERY INTERESTING, I READ THEM THREE TIMES A DAY, AFTER BREAKFAST, LUNCH AND DINNER, thank you.