Got Lp because start with jungle farming.

[Chiv]

I saw many time people start farming in the jungle is normally. But if 4 teammate report you will get ban. Idiot idea.

[Deepbluediver]

First, reports from stacks don't count multiple- you need to be reported by different people in different matches for it to have any effect.

Second, trying to jungle from level 1 is a dumb strategy. Valve worked hard to kill it off, and yes people will report you because it pointlessly puts your entire team at a disadvantage.
Learn to lane.

[Artek [General]]

Originally posted by Deepbluediver:

trying to jungle from level 1 is a dumb strategy. Valve worked how to kill it off, and yes people will report you because it pointlessly puts your entire team at a distadvantage.
Learn to lane.

Pretty much this is the reason.
Jungling was a viable strategy about 3-4 years ago, but it got nerfed over the years - all the cool items that made it easier got nerfed or straight deleted, and most importantly creep lifesteal in particular has been nerfed to be very weak to the point that it basically doesn't outheal the creep damage on most heroes.

You can't jungle at Level 1. You must lane at least for a bit, acquire Mask of Madness, Armlet of Mordigan, something among those lines, THEN you can go to the forest and even then its an inferior idea and you should only be doing it if the lane is f*cked.

[no154370]

Anyone who go farm neutral creeps from the 1st min of the match up till mid game

will be reported

Reasons

1) this is not ML: bang bang and League of Legends

2) you are causing either the safe lane or off lane to collapse within the first 10 mins of the match

There isn't any dota 2 heroes who can handle 1 vs 2 at all

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People will start farming neutral creeps from mid game onward intermittently

[76561198164658792]

In turbo if you pick the right heroes there is more farm and xp in the jungle then in lane.

Nobody cares though and your team will report you even if you come back and win the game for them.

[:D]

ok

[Zagryzaec]

Originally posted by Artek General:

Originally posted by Deepbluediver:

trying to jungle from level 1 is a dumb strategy. Valve worked how to kill it off, and yes people will report you because it pointlessly puts your entire team at a distadvantage.
Learn to lane.

Pretty much this is the reason.
Jungling was a viable strategy about 3-4 years ago, but it got nerfed over the years - all the cool items that made it easier got nerfed or straight deleted, and most importantly creep lifesteal in particular has been nerfed to be very weak to the point that it basically doesn't outheal the creep damage on most heroes.

You can't jungle at Level 1. You must lane at least for a bit, acquire Mask of Madness, Armlet of Mordigan, something among those lines, THEN you can go to the forest and even then its an inferior idea and you should only be doing it if the lane is f*cked.

It has nothing to do with you bieng unable to jungle.

It has to do with the fact that if you stand in the lane and do nothing while enemy denies all the creeps you still get higher level than by farming jungle.

[Artek [General]]

Originally posted by Zagryzaec:

Originally posted by Artek General:

Pretty much this is the reason.
Jungling was a viable strategy about 3-4 years ago, but it got nerfed over the years - all the cool items that made it easier got nerfed or straight deleted, and most importantly creep lifesteal in particular has been nerfed to be very weak to the point that it basically doesn't outheal the creep damage on most heroes.

You can't jungle at Level 1. You must lane at least for a bit, acquire Mask of Madness, Armlet of Mordigan, something among those lines, THEN you can go to the forest and even then its an inferior idea and you should only be doing it if the lane is f*cked.

It has nothing to do with you being unable to jungle.

It has to do with the fact that if you stand in the lane and do nothing while enemy denies all the creeps you still get higher level than by farming jungle.

That adds up to the problem too. Creeps of the Ancients somehow provide crazy EXP and Money values compared to the ones that occupy the jungles, to the point that you have to stack a large camp before it will provide same EXP and money as a single small creepwave.

[Absche]

It depends on the workshare of the team. Best is to exploit all ressources available on the map, e.g. the jungle, not only for exp but also for neutral items. Jungling is not the exp generator anymore but still part of the game. The problem is here the easy reporting, more focused on fighting the own tean than the enemy team.

[Deepbluediver]

Originally posted by Absche:

It depends on the workshare of the team. Best is to exploit all ressources available on the map, e.g. the jungle, not only for exp but also for neutral items. Jungling is not the exp generator anymore but still part of the game. The problem is here the easy reporting, more focused on fighting the own tean than the enemy team.

It's not that the game is "the best thing to do is exploit all the resources" so much as "how do you BEST exploit the available resources?" The difference is small but crucial.

If you go to the jungle from level 1, you will be behind because jungle-farm is slower than lane farm. And the person in lane will also be behind because they will get zoned out and the enemy will free farm. So even though you're TRYING to exploit a greater number of creeps, even if you both do as well as you possibly can you'll be behind the enemy lane in XP and gold because your effectiveness is so diminished. In other words, trying to jungle from level 1 is basically the same as a guarantee that you lose the laning-phase competition.

Anyway, go watch high level matches- with RARE exceptions, almost no one ever sits in the jungle for any significant amount of time (and definitely not at level 1). They stop to farm a creep camp or 2 to pick up the neutral items quickly, or on their way to do something else.
How much farm you, personally, have is less important than the RELATIVE amount of farm between your team and the enemy team. This is a key point in learning to play DotA well- getting over your own self-interest.

Jungling is a trap- it FEELS like safe farm, but what you don't realize is that every minute you spend there you are falling behind where you could be if you were doing more to help your team.

[P R O P H Y L A X I S]

Originally posted by Chiv:

I saw many time people start farming in the jungle is normally. But if 4 teammate report you will get ban. Idiot idea.

JUNGLE IS NOT A THING IN DOTA 2. This is NOT league.

YOU ARE GRIEFING YOUR TEAM.

[P R O P H Y L A X I S]

Originally posted by Absche:

It depends on the workshare of the team. Best is to exploit all ressources available on the map, e.g. the jungle, not only for exp but also for neutral items. Jungling is not the exp generator anymore but still part of the game. The problem is here the easy reporting, more focused on fighting the own tean than the enemy team.

Jungling is not a thing.

Stop teaching people to grief the game.

[Kagami]

Originally posted by w o l l O p:

Originally posted by Absche:

It depends on the workshare of the team. Best is to exploit all ressources available on the map, e.g. the jungle, not only for exp but also for neutral items. Jungling is not the exp generator anymore but still part of the game. The problem is here the easy reporting, more focused on fighting the own tean than the enemy team.

Jungling is not a thing.

Stop teaching people to grief the game.

Then why support need to stack jungle creep ?

[Absche]

Originally posted by w o l l O p:

Originally posted by Absche:

It depends on the workshare of the team. Best is to exploit all ressources available on the map, e.g. the jungle, not only for exp but also for neutral items. Jungling is not the exp generator anymore but still part of the game. The problem is here the easy reporting, more focused on fighting the own tean than the enemy team.

Jungling is not a thing.

Stop teaching people to grief the game.

Watch Pros in high Immortal matches and see them taking jungle camps almost half of the game time. Consider the neutral items to be gained as well as avoiding fighting for the same exp when staying in lane side by side. There is a difference between playing afk and jungling. Do you think they enlarged the map and provided more chances to gain exp on the entire map just to keep players on the lane? Anyway, my main message is not to throw a game by reporting each other just because a team mate does things outside the box. He may save your asses later in the game. Focus on the foes not your friends.

[76561198136620301]

Originally posted by Absche:

Originally posted by w o l l O p:

Jungling is not a thing.

Stop teaching people to grief the game.

Watch Pros in high Immortal matches and see them taking jungle camps almost half of the game time. Consider the neutral items to be gained as well as avoiding fighting for the same exp when staying in lane side by side. There is a difference between playing afk and jungling. Do you think they enlarged the map and provided more chances to gain exp on the entire map just to keep players on the lane? Anyway, my main message is not to throw a game by reporting each other just because a team mate does things outside the box. He may save your asses later in the game. Focus on the foes not your friends.

mostly i saw pros start their jungle after gain some level and basic item first...not from level 1 start of the game.
different.

[no154370]

This match is a fine example of how opposite team takes 30 mins to take down the dire's team top lane 1st tower

https://www.opendota.com/matches/7691189431

https://www.opendota.com/matches/7691189431/story

With sand king abandon match after 10 mins of match, luna(who is me on my main account) hug tower and just farm at lane while spam lucent beam and prevent faceless void using ult on me

Some more, since i later on got aghanim's scepter, i can throw luna's ult on melee heroes

p.s my build for luna and dragon knight build ended up owning opposite team when it ended up as 3 vs 5

p.s if you notice only on mid game onward, then we farm neutral creeps