The matchmaking is rigged

[niaerniopawrjnko]

Playing dota ranked is a waste of time, every single game is predetermined to make you waste as much time as possible. For the past week I went from 4.1k mmr to 3.4k and there is literally nothing I can do about it.

Every single game is the same story, I mainly play offlane, my pos 4 picks a useless hero, dies in my lane and then roams. I still win or at least go even in 1vs2 lanes, meanwhile my mid always picks a completely useless hero and loses lane and never roams. My safelane gets stomped, which makes no sense since they are playing a 3vs2. And while all this is happening the enemy pos 1 is free farming the entire game but no one cares.

https://www.dotabuff.com/players/70143044/matches?date=week&enhance=overview

By looking at my dotabuff you can clearly see that I have been put into a losers queue.

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The entertainment industry is there to waste your time and take you away from godly thoughts things, community and family all the while indoctrinating you slowly and subtly.

Sigil magick, satanic symbolism and blasphemous hero speech, is the norm in dota...

[ccc]

Originally posted by niaerniopawrjnko:

Originally posted by work work:

LAN days and Garena are gone.

The game is only fun when you are learning, once you figure most of it out it's 40~ minutes of non stop slouching and staring at a screen.

Waste of time imo. I can entertain myself with other things or games that don't hurt my back and don't require me to pay full attention.

The whole MMR thing is stupid. My mate nearly got immortal then fell back down to divine 3 haha...

These ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ wont even play with each other because they are scared of mmr loss, incase someone has a bad game.

Overtly emotionally invested in something that gives you literally no real world rewards...

People are ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ stupid mate.

Well that is because no one plays dota or similar games to have fun, since that is not possible. It is expected that HALF your games will be a huge waste of time since they will be ruined by someone having no intention of winning. This causes everyone to focus solely on their MMR since tha tis the only thing that actually matters.

Dota is a game that could be really fun.... IF it was possible to have fair matches

What does MMR actually matter in the real world?

You can play with the intention to have fun. Being too competitive ruins the fun. MMR created that.

I find i have the most fun in dota when we got in house 5v5.

♥♥♥♥ mmr who am i impressing? Some neck beard centrelink bum?

[MovingTargetTez]

Originally posted by niaerniopawrjnko:

I am uneducated because I dont waste money on dota plus?

YOU are the one that said it is impossible to predict human behavior. The way it works in Halo is not based on just average performance, it clearly calculates it based on YOUR past performance.

You are in denial and trying to spread misinformation by denying basic math. Calling something a conspiracy theory is one thing, but stating that there is no way for Valve to predict the outcome of a match is just ridiculous

Comparing a game which takes an average performance and then calculates the average is hardly "predicting human behaviour" it is a simple calculation based on performance...... nor did I say it is impossible. Stop trying to shovel words into my mouth just to make your "argument" look viable.
You're also comparing entirely different games as if they share any similarities other than being competitive online titles.

You don't need to spend money to know about the hero tracking system, so in this aspect yes you are uneducated on the matter. It is readily available to anybody, no point trying to pin the blame onto it being in Dota+ when it is down to you being unaware.

Trying to spread misinformation?? Do you understand the irony of you saying that whilst trying to convince people in a discussion thread that the matchmaker is rigged.....I am saying that there is no way for Valve to force an outcome, which is what rigging would entail. As i said previously there are too many uncontrollable factors for Valve to rig matches.
The fact you have gone so far overboard with this when my original message was "Are you playing strict solo queue or ranked roles? These might improve the match quality.
Gonna be real though, claiming the matchmaker is rigged just because you lose the game is some next level copium.
Loss streak or not, the game cannot predict the behaviour patterns or playstyle of 10 random players. You're giving Valve way too much credit :D" shows just how side tracked you are on trying to force your agenda.

[niaerniopawrjnko]

Originally posted by work work:

Originally posted by niaerniopawrjnko:

Well that is because no one plays dota or similar games to have fun, since that is not possible. It is expected that HALF your games will be a huge waste of time since they will be ruined by someone having no intention of winning. This causes everyone to focus solely on their MMR since tha tis the only thing that actually matters.

Dota is a game that could be really fun.... IF it was possible to have fair matches

What does MMR actually matter in the real world?

You can play with the intention to have fun. Being too competitive ruins the fun. MMR created that.

I find i have the most fun in dota when we got in house 5v5.

♥♥♥♥ mmr who am i impressing? Some neck beard centrelink bum?

Well for me, I care about MMR because I hoped that I would one day get fair matches which are mentally stimulating and rewarding. Unfortunately it seems like even after climbing to Ancient the match quality is complete trash and probably WORSE than the match quality in Legend.

For me playing with the intention of having fun is simply not possible because of the matchmaking system. Perhaps playing with a 5 stack would help, but I mainly play video games alone

[Sinner]

Originally posted by Kagami:

Originally posted by Dispersion:

If mmr is not important then why do I started in 2020 and I'm already ancient while my brother who started in 2015 is still stuck in crusader despite playing for 2x time

Because mmr is not reliable. Do you think you are better skill than your brother because you have higher mmr ? I don’t think so. Its possible you are the same skill as crusader but got lucky to be in higher mmr.

In that case students who achieves district are lucky and same as those who failed for five years in same grade lmfao

[niaerniopawrjnko]

Originally posted by MovingTargetTez:

Originally posted by niaerniopawrjnko:

I am uneducated because I dont waste money on dota plus?

YOU are the one that said it is impossible to predict human behavior. The way it works in Halo is not based on just average performance, it clearly calculates it based on YOUR past performance.

You are in denial and trying to spread misinformation by denying basic math. Calling something a conspiracy theory is one thing, but stating that there is no way for Valve to predict the outcome of a match is just ridiculous

Comparing a game which takes an average performance and then calculates the average is hardly "predicting human behaviour" it is a simple calculation based on performance...... nor did I say it is impossible. Stop trying to shovel words into my mouth just to make your "argument" look viable.
You're also comparing entirely different games as if they share any similarities other than being competitive online titles.

You don't need to spend money to know about the hero tracking system, so in this aspect yes you are uneducated on the matter. It is readily available to anybody, no point trying to pin the blame onto it being in Dota+ when it is down to you being unaware.

Trying to spread misinformation?? Do you understand the irony of you saying that whilst trying to convince people in a discussion thread that the matchmaker is rigged.....I am saying that there is no way for Valve to force an outcome, which is what rigging would entail. As i said previously there are too many uncontrollable factors for Valve to rig matches.
The fact you have gone so far overboard with this when my original message was "Are you playing strict solo queue or ranked roles? These might improve the match quality.
Gonna be real though, claiming the matchmaker is rigged just because you lose the game is some next level copium.
Loss streak or not, the game cannot predict the behaviour patterns or playstyle of 10 random players. You're giving Valve way too much credit :D" shows just how side tracked you are on trying to force your agenda.

This is what you wrote "Anyway..... Predicting the outcome of a game prior to the game being played or heroes being picked/banned is a different thing entirely. Funnily enough that is out of the control as the matchmaker has no ability to predict the basic human factors.
Whilst yes there are factors that can be taken into account such as hero picks/playstyle/skill etc none of these really pose an issue as the human element is too random. Even more so with the new patch and Crownfall events."

You literally wrote that humans are too random, I give you an example showing that humans arent random, we are actually very predictable. And you dismiss it by stating that it simply looks at averages?

I can tell you have no background in computer science, you wouldnt even be able to imagine what is going behind the scenes. What do you think Google is spending all their money on trying to improve their search engine?

"As i said previously there are too many uncontrollable factors for Valve to rig matches."

You are just wrong. I dont know what to tell you. As an example: if you have 2 teams, one team with all players on winning streaks and one team with all losing streaks, which team do you think is WAY MORE LIKELY to win?

[Kagami]

Originally posted by Dispersion:

Originally posted by Kagami:

Because mmr is not reliable. Do you think you are better skill than your brother because you have higher mmr ? I don’t think so. Its possible you are the same skill as crusader but got lucky to be in higher mmr.

In that case students who achieves district are lucky and same as those who failed for five years in same grade lmfao

Student of games ? Hell yes.

[Trance]

I can also relate to this topic. Yesterday I even opened a support ticket to see if my account was in some kind of blacklist.

Note that i am kind of new in the game and I have gone from crusader 5 to guardian 5 in a matter of two weeks. I am also subscriber of dota plus, and I have 11000 bs.

Yesterday my game series were as follows:
- zeus support
- void support
- necrophos offlane
- dazzle offlane
- luna offlane
- normal game

It is so demotivating given that the game assigns you a role.

I hope that they change this system, both in terms of criterias to decide matchmaking and also in terms of restricting certain heros by role.

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[niaerniopawrjnko]

Originally posted by Trance:

I can also relate to this topic. Yesterday I even opened a support ticket to see if my account was in some kind of blacklist.

Note that i am kind of new in the game and I have gone from crusader 5 to guardian 5 in a matter of two weeks. I am also subscriber of dota plus, and I have 11000 bs.

Yesterday my game series were as follows:
- zeus support
- void support
- necrophos offlane
- dazzle offlane
- luna offlane
- normal game

It is so demotivating given that the game assigns you a role.

I hope that they change this system, both in terms of criterias to decide matchmaking and also in terms of restricting certain heros by role.

Get used to it. Majority of the player base play with 0 intention of winning or even improving at the game. Obviously Valve wont ever punish this kind of behavior since that would make them less money. And the Valve defenders will claim that these people arent griefing (probably because they themselves also grief like this). Look up any reddit post where someone complains about a grief pick, there will always be people defending the pick saying its viable and actually secretly OP, etc....

Do NOT let these people gaslight you.

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Originally posted by niaerniopawrjnko:

Originally posted by MovingTargetTez:

You're showing the average results that people tend to get on a regular basis.... hardly predicting human behavior. This is already in Dota as it tells you your performance and where you are on your average.
The fact you haven't/ didn't use this as a comparison kinda shows how uniformed you actually are.

I shouldn't really expect anything more from people who are stuck in the conspiracy rabbit hole.

Edit: Linking a video based on a different game is hardly classed as "showing proof". Such a bad take.

I am uneducated because I dont waste money on dota plus?

YOU are the one that said it is impossible to predict human behavior. The way it works in Halo is not based on just average performance, it clearly calculates it based on YOUR past performance.

You are in denial and trying to spread misinformation by denying basic math. Calling something a conspiracy theory is one thing, but stating that there is no way for Valve to predict the outcome of a match is just ridiculous

Exactly even the dota plus subscription literally tells the players behaviour and statistics and Dota Plus
The game itself already have big data from 10 years aka decade of game matches and new publiclly announced Dota Labs features which I've been telling the players for years in this forum as Dota 2 players are the lab rats in the Dota Labs experiments there are hidden Dota Labs feature found in the console or steam DB check my old post history it would be there for evidence

The same person told me I was conspiracy theorist for telling this is now the truth how about that if person don't have point or argument to add they resort to backhanded insults like saying you're the conspiracy theorist if backhanded insults were made to you won yet somehow the mods are blind to accounts like these because they defend this corporation valve

Originally posted by niaerniopawrjnko:

Originally posted by MovingTargetTez:

Comparing a game which takes an average performance and then calculates the average is hardly "predicting human behaviour" it is a simple calculation based on performance...... nor did I say it is impossible. Stop trying to shovel words into my mouth just to make your "argument" look viable.
You're also comparing entirely different games as if they share any similarities other than being competitive online titles.

You don't need to spend money to know about the hero tracking system, so in this aspect yes you are uneducated on the matter. It is readily available to anybody, no point trying to pin the blame onto it being in Dota+ when it is down to you being unaware.

Trying to spread misinformation?? Do you understand the irony of you saying that whilst trying to convince people in a discussion thread that the matchmaker is rigged.....I am saying that there is no way for Valve to force an outcome, which is what rigging would entail. As i said previously there are too many uncontrollable factors for Valve to rig matches.
The fact you have gone so far overboard with this when my original message was "Are you playing strict solo queue or ranked roles? These might improve the match quality.
Gonna be real though, claiming the matchmaker is rigged just because you lose the game is some next level copium.
Loss streak or not, the game cannot predict the behaviour patterns or playstyle of 10 random players. You're giving Valve way too much credit :D" shows just how side tracked you are on trying to force your agenda.

This is what you wrote "Anyway..... Predicting the outcome of a game prior to the game being played or heroes being picked/banned is a different thing entirely. Funnily enough that is out of the control as the matchmaker has no ability to predict the basic human factors.
Whilst yes there are factors that can be taken into account such as hero picks/playstyle/skill etc none of these really pose an issue as the human element is too random. Even more so with the new patch and Crownfall events."

You literally wrote that humans are too random, I give you an example showing that humans arent random, we are actually very predictable. And you dismiss it by stating that it simply looks at averages?

I can tell you have no background in computer science, you wouldnt even be able to imagine what is going behind the scenes. What do you think Google is spending all their money on trying to improve their search engine?

"As i said previously there are too many uncontrollable factors for Valve to rig matches."

You are just wrong. I dont know what to tell you. As an example: if you have 2 teams, one team with all players on winning streaks and one team with all losing streaks, which team do you think is WAY MORE LIKELY to win?

Wait til you learn about the matchmaking algorithms in modern multiplayer games such as Engagement Optimized Matchmaking there's entire academic paper on this matchmaking which tries to emulate player engagement by essentially forcing higher ranked players into the lower ranking players so lower ranked players don't quit the game easily
This EOMM algorithm artificially shifts the player distribution curve within matchmaking context for player engagement

The same system is also used in real life for example in UK and Canadian government does the same thing by adjusting the tax bracket values for certain income levels same system its called levelling the income bracket same concept and methods

From my observation Dota 2 game seems to rigs the future outcome based on players win/loss streak after certain given loss streak eg 3 (this is found in your dota 2 profile game stats which has 3 counter for both wins and losses ) loss streak the future games will more likely have better teammates and worse enemies vice versa
This is levelling the match outcomes so the player won't quit easily but in the other hand it also makes the competent player toxic that's why this game has high toxicity to begin with it stems from matchmaking

This goes well in hand with the other matchmaking algorithm of EOMM
The end objective of modern multiplayer games seems to be creating forced engagement through insidious bad matchmaking

Its very obvious the matchmaking is very bad for people who've studied maths, stats and computer science the worst part is the lead dev called Jeff Hill don't even understand these for matchmaking they've essentially created mix abomination of multiple different matchmaking from the OLD Elo chess to modern EOMM the latest pure matchmaking for Valve games is Glicko 2 which was 1999 for CSGO/2

The same person had also reported my thread, comment and banned it cuz it couldn't accept the evidence and the same person made their games privates even their match prove your point of matches being rigged

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Originally posted by niaerniopawrjnko:

Originally posted by MovingTargetTez:

Are you playing strict solo queue or ranked roles? These might improve the match quality.
Gonna be real though, claiming the matchmaker is rigged just because you lose the game is some next level copium.
Loss streak or not, the game cannot predict the behaviour patterns or playstyle of 10 random players. You're giving Valve way too much credit :D

Predicting the outcome of a game is actually EXTREMELY easy. All you have to do is look at which team got their main roles and recent winrate, by doing this you can predict the winner with 60-70% chance.

And add in more variables such as volatility of players, what heroes they play and their overall impact and youll be able to predict the outcome with a 80-95% chance.

In a game such as League of Legends I used to look up my team mates in the lobby to see if I should dodge or not, this greatly increased my winrate. Unfortunately Riot made it impossible to do this because it exposed the truth of the system.

You have simply been gaslit to believe that everyone having 50% winrate is what a fair system is supposed to look like. In reality the system is only this way because it is what makes Valve, riot games, Blizzard, EA, etc... the most money

Existence of handicap variable accessible from dota 2 console command is already enough evidence to prove the manipulation of matchmaking it changes during loss and win streaks
Same lol the same old tricks
Dota 2 players used to be able to look up the team stats difference and figure out whether it was loss or win game from another tool called Dota plus overwolf it also showed the recent players heropool used to be good against smurfs and hero spammers but r/dota 2 redditors players got mad because it was cheating (because players just banned most recent successful hero pool) but somehow excused actual script cheaters you know who dota 2 devs went against
Dota 2 devs did everything to make the Dota plus overwolf tool useless because it exposed the flaw of the matchmaking and they let the half the playerbase from Russia to cheat for free (see the famous dota 2 cheating forum member count its all there)
Yet there are players who still believe Valve is saint compared to rest but in truth they're all the same

Originally posted by niaerniopawrjnko:

Originally posted by \/\/iWi:

I agree with you, but , admit it, we have to play less in exchange.

Find the right balance in time so you keep your life enjoyable and still have fun **playing** this **video game**.

Now, if you are like me, you'll lose your trust in the whole system , since a lie is a lie, and someone who lies for 1 thing, lies for anything potentially. And there is no "good lie".

Not saying something (keeping it secret) is not a lie.
a lie is a lie. and it's what makes someone a liar.

Nah ill just quit altogether, there is no point in wasting my time with a rigged system.

I know that I am naturally good at video games. I haven been Diamond in league of legends (back before they inflated the ranks and diamond actually meant something) and diamond in HOTS. I remember when I first started Dota I thought it was so strange that no matter what I did I couldnt climb out of guardian, everyone kept telling me "if youre good you will climb", but I knew that I was easily good enough to climb, the issue was just the patience and time required.

Now that I reached Ancient I realized that the rank doesnt even matter, People in Ancient are literally worse than people in Legend so what even is the point of keep grinding? I was hoping that eventually I would reach a point where matches are fair and fun, but the opposite seems to be true.

If the developers of these multiplayer pvp games cared about the competitive integrity they wouldnt base your entire rank solely on wins and losses. But since money is the only thing they care about, they have to make sure that the lowest common denominator also has a 50% winrate.

There's another information you must know for this game
Its called account seed or player account stats essentially whether your account is blacklisted or not blacklisted

My main this account is essentially blacklisted doesn't matter how hard I try I can't get out of ancient to divine but in my alt account I'm divine to immortal easily thus the game intentionally makes me player in lower rank as punishment
Account selling and cheaters told me this trick it works very well til this day

If you want immortal rank that badly I'd suggest to create new account with either new hardware aka PC or hardware ID so you have a fresh start for account stats and grind until you hit the rank callibration you will know whether you will get immortal or legend during the rank callibration essentially if you get divine to immortal in the first rank callibration you're more likely to get that rank unless you lose more than 3/10 games during the rank calibration

I don't even care about rank anymore because its ♥♥♥♥ and I've already reach immortal 10k or whatever in my alt so i have no more ego issues

[Nui]

i see same problem yes they can handle the matchmaking same enemy team i get normal player in my team vs full out ranked new accounts, its total useless booster mafia, long time ago i say servers is corrupted by dogs.... im play ranked loses evry matchs i play turbo same problem, i test all servers same team evrywhere... dota is only for pro players make money with new acocunts its ture, and the single responses you get from us its your fault if your loose, fk clowns

[niaerniopawrjnko]

Originally posted by 76561198122367077:

Originally posted by niaerniopawrjnko:

I am uneducated because I dont waste money on dota plus?

YOU are the one that said it is impossible to predict human behavior. The way it works in Halo is not based on just average performance, it clearly calculates it based on YOUR past performance.

You are in denial and trying to spread misinformation by denying basic math. Calling something a conspiracy theory is one thing, but stating that there is no way for Valve to predict the outcome of a match is just ridiculous

Exactly even the dota plus subscription literally tells the players behaviour and statistics and Dota Plus
The game itself already have big data from 10 years aka decade of game matches and new publiclly announced Dota Labs features which I've been telling the players for years in this forum as Dota 2 players are the lab rats in the Dota Labs experiments there are hidden Dota Labs feature found in the console or steam DB check my old post history it would be there for evidence

The same person told me I was conspiracy theorist for telling this is now the truth how about that if person don't have point or argument to add they resort to backhanded insults like saying you're the conspiracy theorist if backhanded insults were made to you won yet somehow the mods are blind to accounts like these because they defend this corporation valve

Originally posted by niaerniopawrjnko:

This is what you wrote "Anyway..... Predicting the outcome of a game prior to the game being played or heroes being picked/banned is a different thing entirely. Funnily enough that is out of the control as the matchmaker has no ability to predict the basic human factors.
Whilst yes there are factors that can be taken into account such as hero picks/playstyle/skill etc none of these really pose an issue as the human element is too random. Even more so with the new patch and Crownfall events."

You literally wrote that humans are too random, I give you an example showing that humans arent random, we are actually very predictable. And you dismiss it by stating that it simply looks at averages?

I can tell you have no background in computer science, you wouldnt even be able to imagine what is going behind the scenes. What do you think Google is spending all their money on trying to improve their search engine?

"As i said previously there are too many uncontrollable factors for Valve to rig matches."

You are just wrong. I dont know what to tell you. As an example: if you have 2 teams, one team with all players on winning streaks and one team with all losing streaks, which team do you think is WAY MORE LIKELY to win?

Wait til you learn about the matchmaking algorithms in modern multiplayer games such as Engagement Optimized Matchmaking there's entire academic paper on this matchmaking which tries to emulate player engagement by essentially forcing higher ranked players into the lower ranking players so lower ranked players don't quit the game easily
This EOMM algorithm artificially shifts the player distribution curve within matchmaking context for player engagement

The same system is also used in real life for example in UK and Canadian government does the same thing by adjusting the tax bracket values for certain income levels same system its called levelling the income bracket same concept and methods

From my observation Dota 2 game seems to rigs the future outcome based on players win/loss streak after certain given loss streak eg 3 (this is found in your dota 2 profile game stats which has 3 counter for both wins and losses ) loss streak the future games will more likely have better teammates and worse enemies vice versa
This is levelling the match outcomes so the player won't quit easily but in the other hand it also makes the competent player toxic that's why this game has high toxicity to begin with it stems from matchmaking

This goes well in hand with the other matchmaking algorithm of EOMM
The end objective of modern multiplayer games seems to be creating forced engagement through insidious bad matchmaking

Its very obvious the matchmaking is very bad for people who've studied maths, stats and computer science the worst part is the lead dev called Jeff Hill don't even understand these for matchmaking they've essentially created mix abomination of multiple different matchmaking from the OLD Elo chess to modern EOMM the latest pure matchmaking for Valve games is Glicko 2 which was 1999 for CSGO/2

The same person had also reported my thread, comment and banned it cuz it couldn't accept the evidence and the same person made their games privates even their match prove your point of matches being rigged

What I dont get is what do these Valve defenders get out of denying the truth? Are they afraid of it? They gain nothing from spreading all this misinformation and trying to gaslight people into believing that they are the problem.

All I want is for video games to be transparent and honest, but the game developers would rather make more money by literally RUINING the lives of people who get addicted and waste their life playing Dota. Think about it, CASINOS ARE MORE TRANSPARENT THAN VIDEO GAMES. WTF is happening to this world???

[Zockolade]

dota 2 matchmaking is just a stupid mess