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niaerniopawrjnko May 26, 2024 @ 3:19am
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The matchmaking is rigged
Playing dota ranked is a waste of time, every single game is predetermined to make you waste as much time as possible. For the past week I went from 4.1k mmr to 3.4k and there is literally nothing I can do about it.

Every single game is the same story, I mainly play offlane, my pos 4 picks a useless hero, dies in my lane and then roams. I still win or at least go even in 1vs2 lanes, meanwhile my mid always picks a completely useless hero and loses lane and never roams. My safelane gets stomped, which makes no sense since they are playing a 3vs2. And while all this is happening the enemy pos 1 is free farming the entire game but no one cares.

https://www.dotabuff.com/players/70143044/matches?date=week&enhance=overview

By looking at my dotabuff you can clearly see that I have been put into a losers queue.
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Hosenbund Jun 5, 2024 @ 4:43am 
Originally posted by EL_SATAN:
Originally posted by Puffin:
I have made a post about it very long time ago, it seems the mm is rigged in the same way as before.
Once I mastered some supports as ES and CM to boost myself out of low mmr games, I was placed in low mmr due to that I started ranked games as a newbie, then it was very hard to get out.
However even when I started to leave low mmr around 1000 mmr, I had winning streaks with ES and CM, do you know what happened?
After the many winning streaks, I was forced to lose back all the winnings, so I didn't change anything YET the matchmaking started to force me to play with much worse players, the mm forced me to lose back all the gained mmr points, where I started my winning streaks!
And even then people came up with ridiculous excuses, why this happened instead of blaming the rigged matchmaking system.
The system clearly recognizes when you win a lot and it forces you to play with worse teams to stop your fast gain in mmr.

Here are my own screenshots about my winning streaks to prove it, unfortunately I didn't take screenshots of the losing streaks after these:

https://steamcommunity.com/id/juliapalotas/screenshot/362905385247127742/

You can see my mmr that I fell back not long after my winning streak, so here I try to boost myself with cm:
https://steamcommunity.com/id/juliapalotas/screenshot/316748014337231197/

Another winning streak:
https://steamcommunity.com/id/juliapalotas/screenshot/844840012257819974/

Every boosting attempt of such was rewarded by putting me into terrible teams and I had losing streaks of 10 games usually, even if I didn't change anything, I kept playing the same hero with same build.

You can't use the excuse that I had losing streak, because I reached my own mmr bracket. Why? Because when you reach your own skill level, it would mean you start to have more losses, BUT not having a big losing streak. When you play in your own mmr backet, it would mean you start to have winrate closer to 50%.
The matchmaking is 100% rigged, it monitors your gain and will force you to lose as much as you win in short period of time.

You do not have to convince anyone here. Who know about rigged matchmaker just know. At least 1/3 of all post here are from valve workers who will defend this joke, will write you get good and you are where you supposed to be with you skill xD Meantime you are carrying from pos 4-5 when you carry, midder and offlaner are 1-10 in stats ;d

I waste to much time to post screenshots and etc. - nothing will change.

You have 3 options 1. leave the game 2. just play for fun or 3 lose your mind xD

I will not spent single penny on this clown fiesta anymore - hope so you as well

people believing this kind of crap without dotabuff match history being linked should be required to participate in an IQ test

whenever people link their match history it always instantly becomes apparent they are talking garbage, and you wont do it because you know it would expose yourself and your misinformation

before smurfing was forbidden i used to smurf.. i always was able to achieve a 80-90% winrate until i was in range of 500 mmr to my real rank

people like mason achieved the same even until 10k mmr after they got banned
Originally posted by I want to play china!:
Originally posted by niaerniopawrjnko:
Why would I switch role when I EASILY climbed from legend to ancient in one month as an offlaner?

I play heroes that allow me to survive 1vs2 since I know that the game will always put me with a griefing pos 4.

I dont have dota plus.

How does my lose streak impact my team mates performance? Why cant they carry me once in 30 games?

Dude ya dont play the one role. You know there is handicap written in the code? If you win on that over and over you will get this massive "anti smurf" handicap. Trust me i went on my main from crusader 2 to legend 5, and back to archon 1, up to legend 4 again and then re calibrated as a "divine 1" when they put in the "new mmr system". I can't play it anymore as its in the sin bin (shadow pool) so its probably 30 mins to find a game but yeah the same role eventually gets huge bias' against it. When you start to lose a couple just play all roles.

You realise handicap roles literally helps prove the nonsense of the matchmaking the fact that these matchmaking defenders ignores several evidence like this already tells me everything

You're winning during your handicap games because you get better teammates and worse enemies during your handicap roles games outside handicap games you just get worse teammates and better enemies just like how the matchmaking works

Sure you could use this to gain rank but in the end game just want to fill the match using this tactic to force the players to go certain route role and play the roles players don't want aka supports and sometimes this ends up backfiring because players end up griefing their roles playing core items/behaviours to make the team thus even then handicap gives you 80-90% of the win if i remember correctly due to this

If you abuse the handicap periodically you end up in the shadow pool so the players never win only the house aka the game wins

For some reason shadow pool account max rank is Ancient 5 to Divine 1 similar to mine this main account can't ever go over Divine only in my alt accounts I can easily go over Divine rank

The first thing any players should ever check for ranked matchmaking is whether their account is black or shadow pool/listed then the players can worry about the blue pill nonsense like improving skills otherwise its pointless to improve your skill on black listed player account that's impossible to gain rank impossible because of the .1% chance to gain rank in the specific account aka waste thousands hrs just to gain rank in the specific black listed account no wonder dota 2 players play time hrs is on thousands hrs due to this more than any other game similar game is also league

Its easier to get higher rank in chess than Dota 2 try it better for your mind and health imo
Last edited by ﷽﷽﷽﷽﷽﷽﷽﷽﷽﷽; Jun 5, 2024 @ 6:48am
YAH TRUE BRO, THIS MATCHING SYSTEM IS FAIL AS FK. EVERY TIME I DOUBLE. I LOSE. WHAT A JOKE
niaerniopawrjnko Jun 5, 2024 @ 8:08am 
Originally posted by Hosenbund:
Originally posted by EL_SATAN:

You do not have to convince anyone here. Who know about rigged matchmaker just know. At least 1/3 of all post here are from valve workers who will defend this joke, will write you get good and you are where you supposed to be with you skill xD Meantime you are carrying from pos 4-5 when you carry, midder and offlaner are 1-10 in stats ;d

I waste to much time to post screenshots and etc. - nothing will change.

You have 3 options 1. leave the game 2. just play for fun or 3 lose your mind xD

I will not spent single penny on this clown fiesta anymore - hope so you as well

people believing this kind of crap without dotabuff match history being linked should be required to participate in an IQ test

whenever people link their match history it always instantly becomes apparent they are talking garbage, and you wont do it because you know it would expose yourself and your misinformation

before smurfing was forbidden i used to smurf.. i always was able to achieve a 80-90% winrate until i was in range of 500 mmr to my real rank

people like mason achieved the same even until 10k mmr after they got banned
Mason is a former pro player. I shouldnt have to be a former pro player to not lose 600 mmr in a week for literally no reason.
MovingTargetTez Jun 5, 2024 @ 8:39am 
Originally posted by niaerniopawrjnko:
Mason is a former pro player. I shouldnt have to be a former pro player to not lose 600 mmr in a week for literally no reason.

You lost mmr because you and your team lost the game. That is the reason, take it on the chin and look for ways to play better and be a better team mate instead of looking to blame every factors other than yourself.

Based on your idea of matchmaking being rigged etc that must mean that you truly haven't won a game, it was just the other teams time to lose.
So maybe you're not as good as you think you are.
Last edited by MovingTargetTez; Jun 5, 2024 @ 8:40am
xiauadept Jun 5, 2024 @ 8:42am 
:steamsalty:
Hosenbund Jun 5, 2024 @ 8:59am 
Originally posted by niaerniopawrjnko:
Originally posted by Hosenbund:

people believing this kind of crap without dotabuff match history being linked should be required to participate in an IQ test

whenever people link their match history it always instantly becomes apparent they are talking garbage, and you wont do it because you know it would expose yourself and your misinformation

before smurfing was forbidden i used to smurf.. i always was able to achieve a 80-90% winrate until i was in range of 500 mmr to my real rank

people like mason achieved the same even until 10k mmr after they got banned
Mason is a former pro player. I shouldnt have to be a former pro player to not lose 600 mmr in a week for literally no reason.

Was not the point and does not even make sense that this is what you take away from it

that is like saying you need to be a pro player to have a high winrate in gold or platinum in league

come on. you told before that you are top 1% in league. i dont know if its true, but you are aware that the exact same type of people which complain about rigged matchmaking are plentiful in league, right?

a big amount of people in bronze or silver over there which believe they belong in platinum or emerald at least or whatever like that

i get being tilted and quitting because you are on a losing streak. but eventually its time to reevaluate the situation and realize that you have performed very badly recently

if you are truly top 1% in league, then tell me what do you think about all the low rank league players which claim the exact same stuff over there
Aler Jun 5, 2024 @ 9:37am 
OOOOhhhh I see you have been winning a lot of games, contributing very well into your teams efforts, getting MVP or Top Support almost every game according to Stratz. Then let me match you with underdeveloped creatures that failed to climb on the evolution ladder. This is for your own good, trust fr nocap. So you don't rise in ranks too quickly as it builds your character when you become a veterinarian for the circus property.

Great matchmaking system...
Last edited by Aler; Jun 5, 2024 @ 9:47am
niaerniopawrjnko Jun 5, 2024 @ 10:01am 
Originally posted by Hosenbund:
Originally posted by niaerniopawrjnko:
Mason is a former pro player. I shouldnt have to be a former pro player to not lose 600 mmr in a week for literally no reason.

Was not the point and does not even make sense that this is what you take away from it

that is like saying you need to be a pro player to have a high winrate in gold or platinum in league

come on. you told before that you are top 1% in league. i dont know if its true, but you are aware that the exact same type of people which complain about rigged matchmaking are plentiful in league, right?

a big amount of people in bronze or silver over there which believe they belong in platinum or emerald at least or whatever like that

i get being tilted and quitting because you are on a losing streak. but eventually its time to reevaluate the situation and realize that you have performed very badly recently

if you are truly top 1% in league, then tell me what do you think about all the low rank league players which claim the exact same stuff over there
In league of legends I have literally had one account in Diamond while two others were stuck in gold, now tell me I dont deserve being diamond even though I got there on my own MULTIPLE times.

There is nothing to re-evaluate, I climbed to 4.1k mmr playing the exact same way I did on my losing streak. You are just trying to gaslight me, I know where my skill level is at.
Aler Jun 5, 2024 @ 10:17am 
Originally posted by niaerniopawrjnko:
Originally posted by Hosenbund:

Was not the point and does not even make sense that this is what you take away from it

that is like saying you need to be a pro player to have a high winrate in gold or platinum in league

come on. you told before that you are top 1% in league. i dont know if its true, but you are aware that the exact same type of people which complain about rigged matchmaking are plentiful in league, right?

a big amount of people in bronze or silver over there which believe they belong in platinum or emerald at least or whatever like that

i get being tilted and quitting because you are on a losing streak. but eventually its time to reevaluate the situation and realize that you have performed very badly recently

if you are truly top 1% in league, then tell me what do you think about all the low rank league players which claim the exact same stuff over there
In league of legends I have literally had one account in Diamond while two others were stuck in gold, now tell me I dont deserve being diamond even though I got there on my own MULTIPLE times.

There is nothing to re-evaluate, I climbed to 4.1k mmr playing the exact same way I did on my losing streak. You are just trying to gaslight me, I know where my skill level is at.
I lost 670 MMR in a month too. MM is clearly rigged. And Reddit/Steam forums are full of contrarian gaslighting trolls. Don't feed them.
One of them does not even play Ranked and was Crusader last time they played.
The other one is an Ancient with private profile.
Last edited by Aler; Jun 5, 2024 @ 10:32am
MovingTargetTez Jun 5, 2024 @ 10:22am 
Originally posted by niaerniopawrjnko:
In league of legends I have literally had one account in Diamond while two others were stuck in gold, now tell me I dont deserve being diamond even though I got there on my own MULTIPLE times.

There is nothing to re-evaluate, I climbed to 4.1k mmr playing the exact same way I did on my losing streak. You are just trying to gaslight me, I know where my skill level is at.

Everyone is wrong but you? Very Wormwood of you.
This is exactly the mentality i'd expect from somebody who is pushing the rigged matchmaking threads and spreading misinformation.

How far does it have to go before you self analyse your performance and actually understand that you could have performed better. I know it hurts the ego to accept that you're not as good as you think you are etc but it does help you improve.
MVP_lCE™ Jun 5, 2024 @ 10:25am 
Originally posted by MovingTargetTez:
Originally posted by niaerniopawrjnko:
In league of legends I have literally had one account in Diamond while two others were stuck in gold, now tell me I dont deserve being diamond even though I got there on my own MULTIPLE times.

There is nothing to re-evaluate, I climbed to 4.1k mmr playing the exact same way I did on my losing streak. You are just trying to gaslight me, I know where my skill level is at.

Everyone is wrong but you? Very Wormwood of you.
This is exactly the mentality i'd expect from somebody who is pushing the rigged matchmaking threads and spreading misinformation.

How far does it have to go before you self analyse your performance and actually understand that you could have performed better. I know it hurts the ego to accept that you're not as good as you think you are etc but it does help you improve.

Maybe he cannot go with the true meaning of "understanding", so he keeps defending his points there.
Hosenbund Jun 5, 2024 @ 10:26am 
Originally posted by niaerniopawrjnko:
Originally posted by Hosenbund:

Was not the point and does not even make sense that this is what you take away from it

that is like saying you need to be a pro player to have a high winrate in gold or platinum in league

come on. you told before that you are top 1% in league. i dont know if its true, but you are aware that the exact same type of people which complain about rigged matchmaking are plentiful in league, right?

a big amount of people in bronze or silver over there which believe they belong in platinum or emerald at least or whatever like that

i get being tilted and quitting because you are on a losing streak. but eventually its time to reevaluate the situation and realize that you have performed very badly recently

if you are truly top 1% in league, then tell me what do you think about all the low rank league players which claim the exact same stuff over there
In league of legends I have literally had one account in Diamond while two others were stuck in gold, now tell me I dont deserve being diamond even though I got there on my own MULTIPLE times.

There is nothing to re-evaluate, I climbed to 4.1k mmr playing the exact same way I did on my losing streak. You are just trying to gaslight me, I know where my skill level is at.

are you aware of the consequences of what you are implying?

in league mmr and visual rank are seperated and this creates its own problems.. people can be stuck for a while there because even a 60% or 70% winrate does not make u rank up. you have to fix your mmr first which can take 200 games or whatever
i think u are referring to this?

but to get back to my initial point.. you are aware of what you are implying?
you are implying that the ranking system in neither game makes any sense.
you are implying that gold players in league are able to hold a diamond player hostage in their ranks.
Which means you are implying that plenty of gold players are as good as diamond players, otherwise this would not be statistically possible.
it also means that people on ancient in dota would be as bad as archons yet somehow still maintain their rank. quite weird

which means ranking up is just luck according to you?
If that is so, how do you take any pride in your ranks? according to yourself the whole ranking does not make any sense, and therefore you achieving top 1% in league is completely meaningless.
and yes you do take pride in your ranks. otherwise you would not complain about losing

Call it gaslighting, but this is the consequence of your own logic, when you actually take the time to logically think your claim through to the end, if you like it or not
niaerniopawrjnko Jun 5, 2024 @ 10:39am 
Originally posted by Hosenbund:
Originally posted by niaerniopawrjnko:
In league of legends I have literally had one account in Diamond while two others were stuck in gold, now tell me I dont deserve being diamond even though I got there on my own MULTIPLE times.

There is nothing to re-evaluate, I climbed to 4.1k mmr playing the exact same way I did on my losing streak. You are just trying to gaslight me, I know where my skill level is at.

are you aware of the consequences of what you are implying?

in league mmr and visual rank are seperated and this creates its own problems.. people can be stuck for a while there because even a 60% or 70% winrate does not make u rank up. you have to fix your mmr first which can take 200 games or whatever
i think u are referring to this?

but to get back to my initial point.. you are aware of what you are implying?
you are implying that the ranking system in neither game makes any sense.
you are implying that gold players in league are able to hold a diamond player hostage in their ranks.
Which means you are implying that plenty of gold players are as good as diamond players, otherwise this would not be statistically possible.
it also means that people on ancient in dota would be as bad as archons yet somehow still maintain their rank. quite weird

which means ranking up is just luck according to you?
If that is so, how do you take any pride in your ranks? according to yourself the whole ranking does not make any sense, and therefore you achieving top 1% in league is completely meaningless.
and yes you do take pride in your ranks. otherwise you would not complain about losing

Call it gaslighting, but this is the consequence of your own logic, when you actually take the time to logically think your claim through to the end, if you like it or not
Yes, I am in fact implying that the ranked system in both games are complete trash and useless. As Ive already written in this post, the players I played with in legend were better than the ancient players I have played it.

And dont bother replying with some cringe hyperbole about "DO YOU REALLY THINK HERALD PLAYERS ARE THE SAME RANK AS IMMORTALS", Ive already blocked you.

Bye and good luck on reddit
MovingTargetTez Jun 5, 2024 @ 10:48am 
OP has proved that they have no intention of using this topic discussion as intended and is instead using the platform to spread misinformation based on their own conspiracy beliefs.

Think it is a time a mod shuts this down before this gets further out of hand and actually attracts other/new players to believe that this is true.
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