Is Silencer a counter to OD?

[Postal Dude of Cykaland]

Since OD relies heavily on the difference of intelligence and Silencer steals intelligence, is he a viable counter?

[amungus]

Originally posted by Bloodseeker Edge -----(I====>:

Since OD relies heavily on the difference of intelligence and Silencer steals intelligence, is he a viable counter?

It's vice versa, imo, especially in the laning stage.

[tom]

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[Wutproppen]

Originally posted by Tom:

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[amungus]

Originally posted by CHaOS:

Originally posted by Wise-Silly:

It's vice versa, imo, especially in the laning stage.

I think that OD counters Silencer early on, yet Silencer slaughters OD in the later stages.

The only ability silencer might counter is OD's ulti, but it depends on how much int he will get from the enmy team during early-midgame and what items hes is going for. In the later stages OD has much more items and exp since he's a carry and his farm is prioritized. If both of them don't have bkb's, OD's damage will be much higher because his orb will deal more damage than one of the silencer, if they both have bkb's - then silencer will be weaker because of havig much less farm and items that'd give OD good rightclick and sustainability.
Silencer is my favorite hero in dota 2, and i've seen different matchups and builds that involved OD, and the only ways OD could be countered was either being silencer quite overfarmed or OD too underfarmed.

[Zerowen]

Originally posted by Wise-Silly:

Originally posted by CHaOS:

I think that OD counters Silencer early on, yet Silencer slaughters OD in the later stages.

The only ability silencer might counter is OD's ulti, but it depends on how much int he will get from the enmy team during early-midgame and what items hes is going for. In the later stages OD has much more items and exp since he's a carry and his farm is prioritized. If both of them don't have bkb's, OD's damage will be much higher because his orb will deal more damage than one of the silencer, if they both have bkb's - then silencer will be weaker because of havig much less farm and items that'd give OD good rightclick and sustainability.
Silencer is my favorite hero in dota 2, and i've seen different matchups and builds that involved OD, and the only ways OD could be countered was either being silencer quite overfarmed or OD too underfarmed.

I've never seen an overly farmed OD, aghs, Rod of atos, force staff, treads and null talisman. Gets wrecked by Silencer.

[amungus]

Originally posted by Owen the Green:

Originally posted by Wise-Silly:

The only ability silencer might counter is OD's ulti, but it depends on how much int he will get from the enmy team during early-midgame and what items hes is going for. In the later stages OD has much more items and exp since he's a carry and his farm is prioritized. If both of them don't have bkb's, OD's damage will be much higher because his orb will deal more damage than one of the silencer, if they both have bkb's - then silencer will be weaker because of havig much less farm and items that'd give OD good rightclick and sustainability.
Silencer is my favorite hero in dota 2, and i've seen different matchups and builds that involved OD, and the only ways OD could be countered was either being silencer quite overfarmed or OD too underfarmed.

I've never seen an overly farmed OD, Rod of atos, force staff, treads and null talisman. Gets wrecked by Silencer.

That is very low-level.

[Paracetamol]

Silencer counters OD in early and in late game, his 1st and 3th skill can be used in early game for harrasment since OD only have 1 casteable skill in early game and in late game It will depend on on the build.

[amungus]

Originally posted by brazilian guy from russia:

Silencer counters OD in early and in late game, his 1st and 3th skill can be used in early game for harrasment since OD only have 1 casteable skill in early game and in late game It will depend on on the build.

If silencer casts his curse or last word when they are lvl 1, he just wastes his mana.
If they are skilled lvl2+, this means OD has already 1 point in his aura, and he can start using imprisonment whenever he wants. OD waits till silencer lands his curse, then steals his intelligence by astral imprisonment, if silencer casts last word first, OD just goes away till the silence goes off in order not to get cursed by curse off the silent, and the he's ready to imrison silencer again, lowering his damage and mana pool that has been wasted, because he used bottle or ate a tango.
Also, silencer doesn't have slow/stun/whatsoever to setup a gank, while OD does.
When it comes to the lategame, silencer as support usually doesn't get more than aghs+refresher+-mek (and silencer's ulti is nullified by bkb) or forcestaff/mek if he was a warding-smoking-etc b1tch, while OD gets a midas, farms gold and exp much more, gets bkb, scythe, shivas, daedalus/mjollnir, etc (+-utility like forcestaff or mek).

[Mr JC Denton in Da Fresh]

From experience and what info I looked up, Silencer IS probably the best counter to Outworld Devourer unless the player using Silencer is really, really lousy. Its not just that Silencer's Intelligence can rise quickly due to kills or items, Silencer is an also not as squishy as OD. OD is a very useful hero because of his imprison ability but he can't last long under fire.

Its also depends on the players themselves. Its not impossible for OD to one-shot certain enemies with his first ability, the one which does pure damage.

[amungus]

Originally posted by khaosnewrise25:

From experience and what info I looked up, Silencer IS probably the best counter to Outworld Devourer unless the player using Silencer is really, really lousy. Its not just that Silencer's Intelligence can rise quickly due to kills or items, Silencer is an also not as squishy as OD. OD is a very useful hero because of his imprison ability but he can't last long under fire.

Its also depends on the players themselves. Its not impossible for OD to one-shot certain enemies with his first ability, the one which does pure damage.

Razor is best counter to OD, if you'd watched TI3 and other tournaments last year, you'd have known it.
And yes, as i already said, lategame OD's orb>glaives.
Ofc if you want to be a tier 1 in your team and get farmed, forgetting about all supporting stuff and aghs+refresher getting damage items instead, Silencer has chances. But that would be not a serious game at all.
I've been doing such stuff, rushing orchid and scythe with bkb/etc, but that is not how silencer is meant to be played (in real games team needs his ultimate with aghs and refrehser, like ravage needs blink and refresher), and still there are 4 other heroes in the enemy team and at least one of them will easiliy kill him.

[Angie]

silencer can counter if he got enough int OD ulit will have less effect on him