Reports and Low Priority explanation

[Long Bottom Leaf]

Every day I see discussions about how bad the report system is, dude... It used to be so much worse. I will eventually make a guide about the intricacies of the report system because I quite literally sent a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ 12 page document to valve support about how bad the old report system was and how to improve it. 6 months later they used every single one of my suggestions and revamped the entire report system (so I know a lot about how it works), but for now this discussion will do.


Suffice to say, if you are getting LP often, it's only partially because of reports, it's mainly account 'flags' on your profile.

For example if you abandon a large percent of your games (lets say 50 out of 200), you'll have 5 or 6 'secondary_leaver_count' flags on your account for abandoning a high percent, there is also a recent abandon flag labelled 'leaver_penalty_count'. The flags for communication and game play are more difficult to decipher but they exist as well. So if you get commended 4 times and 1 report, two or three games in a row lets say, you'll get low priority and/or banned from playing far quicker than someone without a high number of account flags.

Your account history and report history influences the system via account flags, account flags will indicate to the report system that reports against you should be considered with more impact. The previous system would take each report FAR MORE seriously due to reports being limited, so being reported 3-4 times can cause low priority even with 20+ commends at the same time. Now, commends have a significantly greater impact on your account status and reports cause impact the more they accumulate.

How to improve your account status? Just mute everyone each game (there is actually a game setting that removes all incoming chat), remove your key bind for voice and text chat, play like a regular human being, and don't abandon games. Due to Dota 2 reports/abandons/etc being cumulative, you will often see an increase in behaviour score on the next account score update, not the current behaviour score feedback thing that is being compiled.

So to be a bit more specific, I play 20 games and get my account behaviour feedback thing, I play another 20 games and abandon 2 of them, the following behaviour feedback will decrease slightly, but the next one will decrease even more because of the accumulation of abandons (this also applies to commends/reports as well). It takes a few feedback periods for abandons and reports to be cleared from your RECENT account flags, but remains on your long term account flags. So if I have 6 long term flags on my account, reports will have more impact on my account until the flags clear from my account.

Thus bad behaviour accumulates on your account. The more you abandon and get reported, the more future reports against you have greater impact.

If you are curious how to see this account info, open the console in game and type:

developer_1

then:

dota_game_account_client_debug

I genuinely hope this helps. If you get low priority often I would recommend playing a ton of turbo games to quickly clear your recent account flags, which should help significantly.

[愚かなジャガイモ]

in short, play a team team like an rpg, play a basketball game with earplug and horse blinders, play a football game while blasting musics into your headphone while ignoring what everyone else said.

then why play this game lol

[愚かなジャガイモ]

fun fact, my lobbies' players are mostly muted, but they have discovered that you can write on minimap.

also, majority of the players are soft throwing 😂

[Absche]

Originally posted by Long Bottom Leaf:

…Due to Dota 2 reports/abandons/etc being cumulative, you will often see an increase in behaviour score on the next account score update, not the current behaviour score feedback thing that is being compiled.
…

Yes, I also noticed that people have problems to understand the features of a running mean.

Originally posted by 愚かなジャガイモ:

in short, play a team team like an rpg, play a basketball game with earplug and horse blinders, play a football game while blasting musics into your headphone while ignoring what everyone else said.

then why play this game lol

This wouldn‘t happen if players would want to play with open ears and eyes and if they, sticking to your real life sports example, wouldn‘t amend their „pass me the ball“ with a „you f u cking moron“ at the end.

It‘s basically not the system but the players that fill the given frame. Right now, Valve lifted some restrictions to let the bad apples expose themselves because they can’t withstand the temptation. That makes it easier to filter them and minimize the impact of their reports in the future.

[愚かなジャガイモ]

Originally posted by Absche:

wouldn‘t amend their „pass me the ball“ with a „you f u cking moron“ at the end.

fun fact, i did not cuss, not racist, i only be abit sarcastic at most. then in the last 15 games, the only game where i chat alot is with an enemy talking about some simple coding.

i got reported 7 times by 7 different parties, my communication scores went from 6.2k to 5.2k

explain this 😂

[愚かなジャガイモ]

Originally posted by Absche:

This wouldn‘t happen if players would want to play with open ears and eyes and if they, sticking to your real life sports

also, you did not take in account with players that are playing dota like an rpg like this guy above said.

then the moment i voice out about his action, i am the bad team player that "cuss" alot? because this is mostly what i got into and nothing else.

are you trying to say that if a basketball player is not passing ball at all, then when his teammates voice it out and not cussing, his teammate is at fault for voicing it out? 😂

[zZzooey.exe]

i dont do any of these mental gymnastics, i use chat and voice lines, play solo and im constantly 10k BS and now since the new system constantly between 11k and 12k. i think inherintly people who ''suffer'' the most from this system are those who were always edging low behavior but because it wasnt so severe as now, they didnt care. but now that youre permamuted and put in worse lobbies people are starting to cry more and more despite it being their own fault. and its harder now to raise score than it was before, so that makes them basically softbanned despite being ''able'' to play. which of course, they brought onto themselves to begin with. and with anti smurf things in place, even such as make an alt and your behavior score will follow you, these people can truly never play regular dota again. its like permanent purgatory. rest of the normal community doesnt suffer these issues, just frequent offenders. thats why its hard to feel sympathy for them. because you know they do it so often system finally stomped them down. so they deserve redemption? i personally think yes and no, yes because if they truly love the game they would put in an effort to raise score and play with friends. no because they have a massive burnout, need to touch grass and change game they play, they played so much dota through the years it became their whole personality, and they are struggling to find a new thing to identify with, but they should.

[愚かなジャガイモ]

Originally posted by zooi:

i dont do any of these mental gymnastics, i use chat and voice lines, play solo and im constantly 10k BS and now since the new system constantly between 11k and 12k. i think inherintly people who ''suffer'' the most from this system are those who were always edging low behavior but because it wasnt so severe as now, they didnt care. but now that youre permamuted and put in worse lobbies people are starting to cry more and more despite it being their own fault. and its harder now to raise score than it was before, so that makes them basically softbanned despite being ''able'' to play. which of course, they brought onto themselves to begin with. and with anti smurf things in place, even such as make an alt and your behavior score will follow you, these people can truly never play regular dota again. its like permanent purgatory. rest of the normal community doesnt suffer these issues, just frequent offenders. thats why its hard to feel sympathy for them. because you know they do it so often system finally stomped them down. so they deserve redemption? i personally think yes and no, yes because if they truly love the game they would put in an effort to raise score and play with friends. no because they have a massive burnout, need to touch grass and change game they play, they played so much dota through the years it became their whole personality, and they are struggling to find a new thing to identify with, but they should.

oh ho, these phenomena is not even the final form of this system yet, let time do its work and even you will know what i mean.

you cant ask a person to act nice by shutting them up, it actually have the opposite effects.

[zZzooey.exe]

Originally posted by 愚かなジャガイモ:

Originally posted by zooi:

i dont do any of these mental gymnastics, i use chat and voice lines, play solo and im constantly 10k BS and now since the new system constantly between 11k and 12k. i think inherintly people who ''suffer'' the most from this system are those who were always edging low behavior but because it wasnt so severe as now, they didnt care. but now that youre permamuted and put in worse lobbies people are starting to cry more and more despite it being their own fault. and its harder now to raise score than it was before, so that makes them basically softbanned despite being ''able'' to play. which of course, they brought onto themselves to begin with. and with anti smurf things in place, even such as make an alt and your behavior score will follow you, these people can truly never play regular dota again. its like permanent purgatory. rest of the normal community doesnt suffer these issues, just frequent offenders. thats why its hard to feel sympathy for them. because you know they do it so often system finally stomped them down. so they deserve redemption? i personally think yes and no, yes because if they truly love the game they would put in an effort to raise score and play with friends. no because they have a massive burnout, need to touch grass and change game they play, they played so much dota through the years it became their whole personality, and they are struggling to find a new thing to identify with, but they should.

oh ho, these phenomena is not even the final form of this system yet, let time do its work and even you will know what i mean.

you cant ask a person to act nice by shutting them up, it actually have the opposite effects.

freedom of speech isnt a freedom of consequence. and only thing they did with their freedom to express themselves was toxicity, so i dont feel bad for some of them for getting 'perma'muted. but a chunk of these low bs people werent always toxic, like they had disconnects, or they were legit noobs and harvested reports, they deserve redemption. rest of them, i humbly personally say: no.

[愚かなジャガイモ]

Originally posted by zooi:

so i dont feel bad for some of them. but a chunk of these low bs people werent always toxic, like they had disconnects, or they were legit noobs and harvested reports, they deserve redemption. rest of them, i humbly personally say: no.

yea it is not free of consequences, but when everyone has the power to do so, it is a totally different story.

you are lucky to be in a more polite server, but this system that dont even make sense on why some report works definitely will spill over to other part given enough time.

[zZzooey.exe]

Originally posted by 愚かなジャガイモ:

Originally posted by zooi:

so i dont feel bad for some of them. but a chunk of these low bs people werent always toxic, like they had disconnects, or they were legit noobs and harvested reports, they deserve redemption. rest of them, i humbly personally say: no.

yea it is not free of consequences, but when everyone has the power to do so, it is a totally different story.

you are lucky to be in a more polite server, but this system that dont even make sense on why some report works definitely will spill over to other part given enough time.

oh i never said i was in a polite server. i report and mute people all the time and get notification back they got a punishment. i receive random reports. but only consistent intentional bad behavior will sink you,not 'random' people throwing reports at you/whoever. thats why i dont buy the ''impossible to be at high behavior, free reports everyone spams, wah wah' then i would be at 0 too, and im not even the most polite person ever. but when someone engages in a fight with me/whatever, i simply mute them, and report them if they were breaking a rule. such as insulting, cursing, griefing, etc. arguing them in all chat would be me breaking the rule also, and then i would deserve the reports and tank my score. but i avoid that part.

[愚かなジャガイモ]

Originally posted by zooi:

but only consistent intentional bad behavior will sink you,not 'random' people throwing reports at you/whoever.

yea, but you forgot the "redemption" bunch who will also be in your games 😂

thats why i said, give it enough time, it will slowly boil over

[zZzooey.exe]

Originally posted by 愚かなジャガイモ:

Originally posted by zooi:

but only consistent intentional bad behavior will sink you,not 'random' people throwing reports at you/whoever.

yea, but you forgot the "redemption" bunch who will also be in your games 😂

thats why i said, give it enough time, it will slowly boil over

fair enough

[愚かなジャガイモ]

Originally posted by zooi:

fair enough :elrath:

let's put it this way, my mother tongue is mandarin and i am a chinese, and a very interesting phenomena is slowly boiling over in china even though they are heavily censored. i see alot of similarities and correlation between factors in these 2 circumstances. 😂

[zZzooey.exe]

Originally posted by 愚かなジャガイモ:

Originally posted by zooi:

fair enough

let's put it this way, my mother tongue is mandarin and i am a chinese, and a very interesting phenomena is slowly boiling over in china even though they are heavily censored. i see alot of similarities and correlation between factors in these 2 circumstances. 😂

oh i believe you thats some serious stuff

[D4C]

Originally posted by zooi:

i dont do any of these mental gymnastics, i use chat and voice lines, play solo and im constantly 10k BS and now since the new system constantly between 11k and 12k. i think inherintly people who ''suffer'' the most from this system are those who were always edging low behavior but because it wasnt so severe as now, they didnt care. but now that youre permamuted and put in worse lobbies people are starting to cry more and more despite it being their own fault. and its harder now to raise score than it was before, so that makes them basically softbanned despite being ''able'' to play. which of course, they brought onto themselves to begin with. and with anti smurf things in place, even such as make an alt and your behavior score will follow you, these people can truly never play regular dota again. its like permanent purgatory. rest of the normal community doesnt suffer these issues, just frequent offenders. thats why its hard to feel sympathy for them. because you know they do it so often system finally stomped them down. so they deserve redemption? i personally think yes and no, yes because if they truly love the game they would put in an effort to raise score and play with friends. no because they have a massive burnout, need to touch grass and change game they play, they played so much dota through the years it became their whole personality, and they are struggling to find a new thing to identify with, but they should.

GIVE THIS MAN COOKIE NOW