Uh Isn't Outworld Devourer a bit strong?

[sadge]

I'm not pro with him or any hero by any means, just your average 4k mmr scrub

But I have never felt so dirty playing with OD as with any other hero... He deals too much pure damage early on as well as lategame and it's just sad to see enemy supports die in 3 hits while enemy carries die in 4 hits and an OD ult. Oh right - I'm talking about in the late game. Sure early game he's quite squishy, but he can always astral imprison to save himself or a teammate, and it doesn't take long to build a RoA that gives +350 HP. If you build the right items you can easily get Rampages left and right in the late game. His Q epicly dominates mid lane by draining the enemy's mana pool and his astral imprison makes it hard to gank him 2v1. His mana sustain means his teammates are almost always full and ready to go with stuns and slows and nukes.

Maybe he needs a little nerf? Just a little?

[Chilli Dog Dave]

he has this massive weakness of being easily stomped on by stuns, even astral wont save him in most cases when he's squishy, and suffers hard at the hands of pugna ward, long range and nyx mana burns since he's pretty slow and squishy

[Furubayashi]

not really..it depends of the player who keep complain how strong certain heroes is instead spend the time to learn how to counter it.

[Urkson]

How do you build him? Like what skills and items in order?

[sadge]

Originally posted by RεИㄨKarakuri:

not really..it depends of the player who keep complain how strong certain heroes is instead spend the time to learn how to counter it.

How do you counter OD? Name 1 hero that's actually meant to counter OD. Antimage might be a bit strong against him but lategame, OD has BKB and probably force staff and his arcane orb deals massive damage against illusions, not to mention his total mana pool is almost untouchable even with lots of mana burn, and he can just ult to reveal the main antimage (same with other illusion heroes). Maybe PA because he doesn't build illusion? But he can pretty much kite PA around if he has a force staff, or astral imprison himself to waste PA's bkb timer, idk.

Originally posted by Santa:

How do you build him? Like what skills and items in order?

Midas, Force Staff, Rod of Atos, BKB, Sheepstick, Shiva's Guard, Moon Shard, Octarine Core. Usually depends on Enemy team composition.

[Ruego Al Alba]

He's the type of hero that absolutely requires the enemy team to have hard counter-picks and BKB for him to not be a problem. I know I'd never play someone like Legion Commander or Axe against him purely because of the intelligence steal of Arcane Orb.

[Furubayashi]

You dont usually need to counterpick OD, just pressure him in an early to midgame...without decent farm OD is quite vurnable even with his 2nd skills since its just make enemy players to wait near.

An early BKB/Hex or Even Orchid also can shut him down, remember he cant do crap without spells. Mass Necron and Blademail also show a good promise if he intend to 5man ulti.

DotA used to be a game that allowed players to find their own answers how to deal with heroes ingame..instead now just players complain when they cant find a way.

[76561198090771413]

Originally posted by I have an exam tomorrow:

Originally posted by RεИㄨKarakuri:

not really..it depends of the player who keep complain how strong certain heroes is instead spend the time to learn how to counter it.

How do you counter OD? Name 1 hero that's actually meant to counter OD. Antimage might be a bit strong against him but lategame, OD has BKB and probably force staff and his arcane orb deals massive damage against illusions, not to mention his total mana pool is almost untouchable even with lots of mana burn, and he can just ult to reveal the main antimage (same with other illusion heroes). Maybe PA because he doesn't build illusion? But he can pretty much kite PA around if he has a force staff, or astral imprison himself to waste PA's bkb timer, idk.

nyx

[Sylvyr]

Never seen it in action, but I'd say Nyx Assassin would be good for dealing with OD. Y'see, OD has very little hp till late-game, Nyx ult turns him invis, next attack deals a ♥♥♥♥-load of bonus damage. Also has a mana-burn spell, that burns mana and DEALS DAMAGE based on the target's int. See where I'm going with this? And OD can't really hurt Nyx, because Nyx has both a stun and a spell that stuns attackers and reflects any damage dealt to him back, leaving him unharmed. OD is ♥♥♥♥♥♥ against a half-decent Nyx, the hero is designed to kill int glass-cannons like OD. So, if you think OD is that much of a problem, just learn how to play Nyx. Oh and y'know, actually gank OD when your ult is ready. Problem solved, and OD will not have anything when he really needs to.

[Sixe史吏]

OD can imprison nyx and then wait for team to kill the bug, so you need to be fast.

Vendetta + Impale. If you can land your impale faster than the OD player can use BKB or imprison, OD is dead.

As a nyx player, I usually enjoy fighting OD. Most OD players are fairly slow with their hands because the hero itself doesn't require much reflexes...unlike say...invoker or storm.

[sadge]

Originally posted by RεИㄨDeadpooLisFun:

You dont usually need to counterpick OD, just pressure him in an early to midgame...without decent farm OD is quite vurnable even with his 2nd skills since its just make enemy players to wait near.

An early BKB/Hex or Even Orchid also can shut him down, remember he cant do crap without spells. Mass Necron and Blademail also show a good promise if he intend to 5man ulti.

DotA used to be a game that allowed players to find their own answers how to deal with heroes ingame..instead now just players complain when they cant find a way.

Are you actually telling a solo player to "pressure" someone in the mid lane? With what hero? What sort of strange hero can pressure OD with his massive mana pool and arcane orb spam/astral imprison spam?

[Furubayashi]

Originally posted by My team picks like sht:

Originally posted by RεИㄨDeadpooLisFun:

You dont usually need to counterpick OD, just pressure him in an early to midgame...without decent farm OD is quite vurnable even with his 2nd skills since its just make enemy players to wait near.

An early BKB/Hex or Even Orchid also can shut him down, remember he cant do crap without spells. Mass Necron and Blademail also show a good promise if he intend to 5man ulti.

DotA used to be a game that allowed players to find their own answers how to deal with heroes ingame..instead now just players complain when they cant find a way.

Are you actually telling a solo player to "pressure" someone in the mid lane? With what hero? What sort of strange hero can pressure OD with his massive mana pool and arcane orb spam/astral imprison spam?

Is call comunication....if you cant convince your team to do it..jz do it your self..pick Nyx or BH pressure him in laning phase..and jz counter him after by Orchid/BKB and so on.

An idea to find your way to deal with something is better then complaning about it.

[kingjames488]

n, they nerfed him and made him crap.

[sadge]

Originally posted by RεИㄨDeadpooLisFun:

Originally posted by My team picks like sht:

Are you actually telling a solo player to "pressure" someone in the mid lane? With what hero? What sort of strange hero can pressure OD with his massive mana pool and arcane orb spam/astral imprison spam?

Is call comunication....if you cant convince your team to do it..jz do it your self..pick Nyx or BH pressure him in laning phase..and jz counter him after by Orchid/BKB and so on.

An idea to find your way to deal with something is better then complaning about it.

Let's see, early game - mana burn costs 100 mana and will deal maybe 40 x 4 = 160 damage before reductions, while his arcane orb plus autoattacks almost deal the same amount of damage. If you gank as bounty hunter, he'll just astral imprison you and run away.

[SUPER IDOL DE XIAO RONG]

he does have a repution right now for being strong, and he can dominate his lane well if done correctly, which could lead to an easy victory. that being said he may need a little nerf. hes not overpowered though

[sadge]

Originally posted by WYW!:

he does have a repution right now for being strong, and he can dominate his lane well if done correctly, which could lead to an easy victory. that being said he may need a little nerf. hes not overpowered though

Exactly, never said he was. I said he needs a little nerf not because he's overpowered but because he's quite strong right now and you need to actually focus on counterpicking him in order to win against him which just makes games not fun.