Best ways to counter rat dota?

[Daniel S.]

I have seen a HUGE spike in rat dota lately, and i have been having a very hard time trying to counter it. Most of the time its a furion who we dont have a bigger problem dealing with. But sometimes ember comes up and uses his 0,1 sec across-the-map-escape wich makes him very hard to kill. But the worst is when the enemy team consist of both a ember and a furion...how on earth do you counter this? Teleport is obviously a waste of time since the enemy can just escape (ember players just gtfo in a split second and furion players with half a brain usually leave before reaching the tower) and while you are hopelessly trying to kill the rat dota players the rest of their team gets soo much space to farm

[Mely]

u become pinoys start pushing towers at lvl6. require a draft that takes 2 towers. at lvl 6. 2 more at lvl11. and gg before lvl16. Max lvl16.

even an ember spirit with 30 mins free farm cant end the game. when he needs to rat 5 towers and 2 rax minimum against a team that just needs to take 2 towers and 2 rax.

[SLanted Edge]

Get wave clear, easy to land silences, cc, and fairly mobile heroes. Someone on your team should prioritize s BoT. And like what above said, if you deathball and take towers faster than they can rat you can usually put enough pressure that NP doesn't quite come online.

[Daniel S.]

Originally posted by SLanted Edge:

Get wave clear, easy to land silences, cc, and fairly mobile heroes. Someone on your team should prioritize s BoT. And like what above said, if you deathball and take towers faster than they can rat you can usually put enough pressure that NP doesn't quite come online.

I usually play as Skywrath or Doom when i see someone rat because of the silences, but problem is that even if we try to push furion still manages to take out the towers on lanes we arent on, how do i prevent this? If i leave my team while they push they cant push anymore

[SLanted Edge]

If you deathball, you need to start early. Also a 4-5man team should push much faster than a NP with trees and a necrobook. If you can't push the lanes with a 4v4, you have problems. You'll just have to turtle. Send someone with wave clear to the lanes that NP is working at and just stall the push. NP won't be brave enough to stand at tower until he has a ton of farm.

and NP needs a LOOT of farm to stand up to a standard position 1 carry. Iono rat dota is pretty annoying, but its slow. You just have to make the call what ur team is better at and focus on that advantage. always push an objective when you have the opportunity no matter what strategy u are running.

[o7]

I think it`s no way :(
(sure if you don`t buy sentry)

[Daniel S.]

I searched for deathballing, seems like a good legit strategy. Only problem is that correctly leading a team to do something like that in pubs in almost impossible :(
Belive me, i try to do that every game i play in dota.

Originally posted by DeadMazai:

I think it`s no way :(
(sure if you don`t buy sentry)

What?

[Mely]

The best counter to most rat heroes that i found is disruptor.
His 3rd can provide vision on trees. and his silence cant be purged. he has a bkb pierce with aghanims. and glimpse can counter pretty much any escape except ember's remnant.

[Mely]

also his first provides vision like bounty's track.

[Metal Arms]

Why not ambush the guy ratting? Smoke and just own him, probably can't stop a base arc warding though.

Like a Riki or bounty could easily do it themselves if competent.

[Mely]

Originally posted by Ninj4Turtl3:

Why not ambush the guy ratting? Smoke and just own him, probably can't stop a base arc warding though.

Like a Riki or bounty could easily do it themselves if competent.

U dont understand his point. There is not 1 ratter there are 2.
If u go after 1 the other will take ur rax.

[ZeroHour-Gank]

no matter who the rat is.. I don't care if it is NP, AM, Drow or anyone,,you can always counter rat with invoker.. that insane guy has so many AoE spells which clear lane easily.. In addition, by building him up with Orchid or Vyse, he will be able not only repel the rat, but kill the rat..

however, this tactic will not do if the other players beside Invoker are losing in lane.. Invoker is a core in the team fight, his disables and damages are essential to win the war..
Solution? another team mate need to pick KoTL.. he can pull invoker right into the war (considering Invoker using Tele Bot to repel the rat)
KoTL also has Illuminate which can easily kill a wave of creeps.. this guy is awesome..

I found it hard to repel any rat game,,even if it played by mediocre,,if my team scared to lose tower easily.. sometimes we win the war,,but their rat pushing our tower in other lane and my team scared and went to def the tower.. I prefer pushing..
In fact,,the most successful way to prevent losing from rat,,is by pushing the lane faster than him..

[Mely]

Originally posted by PINES:

no matter who the rat is.. I don't care if it is NP, AM, Drow or anyone,,you can always counter rat with invoker.. that insane guy has so many AoE spells which clear lane easily.. In addition, by building him up with Orchid or Vyse, he will be able not only repel the rat, but kill the rat..

however, this tactic will not do if the other players beside Invoker are losing in lane.. Invoker is a core in the team fight, his disables and damages are essential to win the war..
Solution? another team mate need to pick KoTL.. he can pull invoker right into the war (considering Invoker using Tele Bot to repel the rat)
KoTL also has Illuminate which can easily kill a wave of creeps.. this guy is awesome..

I found it hard to repel any rat game,,even if it played by mediocre,,if my team scared to lose tower easily.. sometimes we win the war,,but their rat pushing our tower in other lane and my team scared and went to def the tower.. I prefer pushing..
In fact,,the most successful way to prevent losing from rat,,is by pushing the lane faster than him..

What if the rater makes bkb?

[ZeroHour-Gank]

rater usually make bkb and shadow blade,,yeah,,that's how cunning a rater is..
As I said,,Invoker has so many AoE skills.. and one more skill which can prevent any rat from running away,,that is Alacrity..
Rater,,because his build must support his pushing to be more effective,,usually will build escape items and damage (sometimes Desolator or Cuirass)
However,,I said that invoker need to build Vyse.. Beside the additional mana pool and damage from INT attribute,,the hex ability is second to none.. Invoker could deal 1.5k++ with Vyse+Alacrity+any other spells..
Moreover,,BKB duration will be lesser each time it is used.. 10 secs BKB is a huge danger,,but 5 secs? Even not breaking my sweat..

But Still,,in hands of pro player (and rater), BKB is really handy.. And fighting such a player,,I prefer only to repel the rat.. and try to kill the rater,,but not overdo it,,since my team needs me in the war..

[76561198150745766]

try to put the ward where the tower was...
it will alert you for rat
the one near the river or after the river
that should give u enough time to get there and clear the wave, get some gold...

[Mely]

Originally posted by PINES:

rater usually make bkb and shadow blade,,yeah,,that's how cunning a rater is..
As I said,,Invoker has so many AoE skills.. and one more skill which can prevent any rat from running away,,that is Alacrity..
Rater,,because his build must support his pushing to be more effective,,usually will build escape items and damage (sometimes Desolator or Cuirass)
However,,I said that invoker need to build Vyse.. Beside the additional mana pool and damage from INT attribute,,the hex ability is second to none.. Invoker could deal 1.5k++ with Vyse+Alacrity+any other spells..
Moreover,,BKB duration will be lesser each time it is used.. 10 secs BKB is a huge danger,,but 5 secs? Even not breaking my sweat..

But Still,,in hands of pro player (and rater), BKB is really handy.. And fighting such a player,,I prefer only to repel the rat.. and try to kill the rater,,but not overdo it,,since my team needs me in the war..

Ok 5 sec bkb u still can't kill him alone tp takes 3 sec. Bkb is 5 sec.