"Swap Roles" Option.

[AIR]

Why isn't that an option? You got into a role you don't like, you click a button and then you click another button to mark the role you are whilling to play. If someone accepts, you both swap. If someone accepts, you swap and it's cool. If no one accepts, its fine. We already have the option to Swap heroes.

I see a lot of complains about people getting Midlane and not wanting it, or any role for that matter. And since talking in game isn't really a safe option - this semi-automated system could help out a lot, specially in regions where there is a lot of language barriers or toxic behavior.

And since it's optional, I don't see people fighting over it - more than they already do, I mean. It would also be helpful with Overwatch: when people swap roles after negotiating, the chat isn't displayed in Overwatch so when you see a "Soft Support" playing the mid lane, as the system is, you assume it's griefing and can't tell if there was a consensual swap.

I'm talking about having an "aid UI interface", to make it faster because:

1- Not a lot of people can talk the language they speak, but not english or the [insert region here]
2- A person that is muted can't do that, so why punish even further?
3- It is a small quality of life enhancement. There are people that don't like talking in chat.

Think about all the people that don't talk, or play with the game muted. Having the feature without the communication even in the case of people that aren't muted. It's a fast "no no, someone instead?"

Update for clarity and after good feedback. Thanks for the participation.

[Absche]

Yes, but why don't let people just talk about it? Like with the entire ranked roles mode. Why can't people negotiate their roles? ok, some simple buttons would help the very shy and reclusive players. Are there any?

[AIR]

Originally posted by Absche:

Yes, but why don't let people just talk about it? Like with the entire ranked roles mode. Why can't people negotiate their roles? ok, some simple buttons would help the very shy and reclusive players. Are there any?

The muted people could benefit from it too.

[AIR]

Oh, and also there is that thing about people not feeling confortable and afraid it would backfire, you know? Saying "I don't play mid, can anyone play instead" is pretty much the same as saying "I am new to the game, don't get mad with me" for some people.

Things like these are better left automated, I believe.

[Pepega or Gigachad?]

Or just ask nicely. Like a normal person.

[Zagryzaec]

Originally posted by Cybertrump 2077:

Why isn't that an option? You got into a role you don't like, you click a button and then you click another button to mark the role you are whilling to play. If someone accepts, you both swap. If someone accepts, you swap and it's cool. If no one accepts, its fine. We already have the option to Swap heroes.

I see a lot of complains about people getting Midlane and not wanting it, or any role for that matter. And since talking in game isn't really a safe option - this semi-automated system could help out a lot, specially in regions where there is a lot of language barriers or toxic behavior.

And since it's optional, I don't see people fighting over it - more than they already do, I mean. It would also be helpful with Overwatch: when people swap roles after negotiating, the chat isn't displayed in Overwatch so when you see a "Soft Support" playing the mid lane, as the system is, you assume it's griefing and can't tell if there was a consensual swap.

It is literally an option.

You tell people you want to play their role. They agree. You play each other's roles.

There is no need for any technical addition for it.

If you only see soft support in mid it is consensual swap. If you see two players mid fighting for creeps - you can watch the role to find out who is ruiner.

You can also manually set up only roles you want to play and you pretty much never get pos1/2 if all position are chosen. It will be most often pos5/4 and sometimes pos 3.

Moreover if you go to role ranked with only POS4/5 permitted you will find game from 1 to 3 min first game and up to instant consequential, if pos 1/2 it will take about ten minutes. Rarely go only pos 3 so can't tell you statistuc but it is somewhere in between.

[AIR]

Originally posted by ----:

Or just ask nicely. Like a normal person.

Thing is, with so many people playing with comms disabled, or muted, the UI option would work better. Also, I gave the Overwatch example: just asking nicely doesn't "Swap Roles".

[AIR]

Originally posted by Zagryzaec:

Originally posted by Cybertrump 2077:

Why isn't that an option? You got into a role you don't like, you click a button and then you click another button to mark the role you are whilling to play. If someone accepts, you both swap. If someone accepts, you swap and it's cool. If no one accepts, its fine. We already have the option to Swap heroes.

I see a lot of complains about people getting Midlane and not wanting it, or any role for that matter. And since talking in game isn't really a safe option - this semi-automated system could help out a lot, specially in regions where there is a lot of language barriers or toxic behavior.

And since it's optional, I don't see people fighting over it - more than they already do, I mean. It would also be helpful with Overwatch: when people swap roles after negotiating, the chat isn't displayed in Overwatch so when you see a "Soft Support" playing the mid lane, as the system is, you assume it's griefing and can't tell if there was a consensual swap.

It is literally an option.

You tell people you want to play their role. They agree. You play each other's roles.

There is no need for any technical addition for it.

In a world where most people play with comms disabled pre-game, or people are either muted or have low behavior and can't talk, and UI feature would help.

I mean, just look at what you and ---- just did: you just read the title and slammed a response. Think before you answer, or at least care to read before you do.

[AIR]

Originally posted by Dota2_dying! :(:

Originally posted by Cybertrump 2077:

I'm sorry, I didn't understand what you just said. Maybe you should read the post before posting a reply, and stop calling people names if you want to be respected in a Discussion Board.

I understand perfectly what you wrote! I did not throw insults, but I found that you want to deepen the pathology, you do it on purpose, if you had any mind eclipse! Now you only add how much you care about muted players, you change the importance of fasting! how noble it is!

No, what I meant is that you called Absche a "Another Facist LGBT" and you called me "And idiot" - I also meant that I am having difficult understanding what you are writing - like in that other post, when I wrote "What" and you rephrased it so I could understand.

And I added the "about muted person" comment before your first response - the one you called Absche a "Facist LGBT".

I get it, you don't like the idea of having the option for people to Swap Roles. You made your point. Can we please move on?

[AIR]

Originally posted by Dota2_dying! :(:

Originally posted by Cybertrump 2077:

No, what I meant is that you called Absche a "Another Facist LGBT" and you called me "And idiot" - I also meant that I am having difficult understanding what you are writing - like in that other post, when I wrote "What" and you rephrased it so I could understand.

And I added the "about muted person" comment before your first response - the one you called Absche a "Facist LGBT".

I get it, you don't like the idea of having the option for people to Swap Roles. You made your point. Can we please move on?

I'm sorry, but I thought I was talking to a person with an intellectual! I understand Russian German and English! I have problems with grammar! Sometimes I require people to understand me without words, I have no problem with that! It requires understanding of the situation and predicting the effects of action!

What?

[AIR]

Originally posted by Dota2_dying! :(:

Originally posted by Cybertrump 2077:

What?

You don't see the effects of your own actions!

I'm not gonna say "What?" again, because I don't want to sound disrespectful. I said I understand you don't like the idea of an UI version of Swap Roles. And I am ok to agree to disagree with you. I made my point about it, you made yours. Can we stop this nonsense?

[AIR]

Originally posted by Dota2_dying! :(:

Originally posted by Cybertrump 2077:

I'm not gonna say "What?" again, because I don't want to sound disrespectful. I said I understand you don't like the idea of an UI version of Swap Roles. And I am ok to agree to disagree with you. I made my point about it, you made yours. Can we stop this nonsense?

The previous topic pointed to your high intelligence, I lost my time unnecessarily on this topic! You led me out of my mistake! sry!

I meant no disrespect to you, my friend. It is just that today has been a hard day, and I just got confused, that is all. I was attacked by someone in another thread, and that person kept on posting awful things about me - including threats of violence. I took the time to read what you posted again: It is just that I got defensive when you called Absche a "Facist LGBT" and I though you were just trolling. English isn't my first language either, and I dare not mock people for grammar mistakes since I commit a lot of mistakes myself.

The idea of "Role Swap" was for the person interested in giving up his role to display it so, without having to write or read anything. Not for someone to show interest in the role they wanted to play, but for the person in the "advantageous role" to be able to "choose to give that role away", since a lot of people are forced to queue as "All Roles".

Let's say that someone that only enjoy playing Pos 5, 4 and 2 get in a match and is assigned as Pos 3 or 1. That person could click a button and that would indicated, for the other players, that he is willing to change roles. That means he willing to give up the Pos 3 or 1 in order to play pos 5, 4 or 2. It wasn't meant to be an imposition, but a display of disposition for the swap.

I understand your worries about toxicity. But my whole idea was to make the "Swap Role" easier for people to do so without having to relly on communication, just like we have the "Swap Hero" option. It would need a better user interface, for sure, but the whole time I had in mind muted people - be a low behavior score, someone that doesn't use communication, someone that doesn't speak the language or someone that is muted by the system.

I understand from your point of view that I was being disrespectful for adding more things as I was reading the replies, but that is how I write - sometimes I miss out some of the points and add them later. Or, in some cases, I take feedback from other people and incorporate them into the idea: that is, after all, why we have discussions in this forum to begin with.

Anyway, I hope I made myself clear this time. Again, I am sorry if I sounded disrespectful or anything: as you can see, I never edit my messages, so when I make a mistake, I own it without regrets. After reading again the messages, I see how rude I sounded and for that I apologize again.

[AIR]

Originally posted by Dota2_dying! :(:

I know you had a hard day, I saw these posts (very toxy person)! I sometimes edit my statements because sometimes I write very chaotically (that's how my friends evaluate)! Your idea can be implemente by Velve in the stupidest possible way! Are you aware of this?

It was a rough day, thank you for understanding and forgiving my bad manners. Yes, I am aware Valve can make a horrible mistake and mess things up. The whole "having to play all roles to earn Tokens" system isn't optimal by Valve, to be honest. But all we can do is try to come up with good ideas and hope they can make the best use of them.

I'm glad you came along to point out the flaws and we managed to get it more detailed and clear. Again, all we can do is hope that Valve do the right thing, because sadly Dota 2 communication in game is getting worse each day: people can't pause, people can't link items, some people can't speak and a lot of people just rather choose to not have chat enabled at all, afraid of being punished. Creating ways for people to communicate without having to actually speak seems like the only way to make people understand each other.

[Absche]

Originally posted by Cybertrump 2077:

Originally posted by ----:

Or just ask nicely. Like a normal person.

Thing is, with so many people playing with comms disabled, or muted, the UI option would work better. Also, I gave the Overwatch example: just asking nicely doesn't "Swap Roles".

I have the mentioned reservations but for disabled players of any kind it may be a helpful thing.

[ʍolɟ ǝɥʇ ǝsɹǝʌǝɹ]

Trading heroes is veryuch Luke this already. You random badly they may pick utility and offer trade. The role is implied by the hero pick

[AIR]

Originally posted by ʍolɟ ǝɥʇ ǝsɹǝʌǝɹ:

Trading heroes is veryuch Luke this already. You random badly they may pick utility and offer trade. The role is implied by the hero pick

Originally posted by Absche:

Originally posted by Cybertrump 2077:

Thing is, with so many people playing with comms disabled, or muted, the UI option would work better. Also, I gave the Overwatch example: just asking nicely doesn't "Swap Roles".

I have the mentioned reservations but for disabled players of any kind it may be a helpful thing.

Sure thing. The goal was just to develop a UI tool to make it easier for the Swaps to happen while rellying less on communication.