Whoever decided to make windrun invisible with aghs should be fired

[Eric]

Broken ass scepter upgrade for an ability that doesn't need to be buffed. Nerf windranger.

[ʍolɟ ǝɥʇ ǝsɹǝʌǝɹ]

It would help if we could use consumables from backpack. It forces everyone's itemization to change to be able to hold dust.

[AIR]

Originally posted by Yukon Cornelius muted:

Broken ass scepter upgrade for an ability that doesn't need to be buffed. Nerf windranger.

You mean by a firesquad? Out of a cannon? Into Mars?

[Eric]

Originally posted by Deck Card: Cain:

Originally posted by Yukon Cornelius muted:

Broken ass scepter upgrade for an ability that doesn't need to be buffed. Nerf windranger.

You mean by a firesquad? Out of a cannon? Into Mars?

Fired I mean losing a job not execution.

[AIR]

Originally posted by Yukon Cornelius muted:

Originally posted by Deck Card: Cain:

You mean by a firesquad? Out of a cannon? Into Mars?

Fired I mean losing a job not execution.

I know brother, I was joking. It is op and abnoxious without detection, specially late in game where she gets stronger and you lack space for detection or are spread appart.

[Eric]

It was only implemented just because people masturbate to windranger probably. Such a frustrating hero nowadays.

[Deepbluediver]

Originally posted by ʍolɟ ǝɥʇ ǝsɹǝʌǝɹ:

It would help if we could use consumables from backpack. It forces everyone's itemization to change to be able to hold dust.

How is this different than any other hero with invisibility? Or any hero who buys an invisibility item?

[RadCon One]

Originally posted by Yukon Cornelius muted:

Broken ass scepter upgrade for an ability that doesn't need to be buffed. Nerf windranger.

The thing that makes it so powerful isn't even the aghs, it is the level 25 talent that makes windrun unable to be dispelled (though granted, I think windrun aghs is bugged and the invisibility is undispellable even before then).

[Alpha Omega Pepega]

some 2k mmr comments, ppl dont even understand, that hero is pretty much ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥, and this ags is the only thing that makes core wind possible. She is super ez to catch and super ez to burst. Dies to any carry in the game with no problem. You place 1 sentry in the fight and her ags losses most of it utility.

[ʍolɟ ǝɥʇ ǝsɹǝʌǝɹ]

Originally posted by Deepbluediver:

Originally posted by ʍolɟ ǝɥʇ ǝsɹǝʌǝɹ:

It would help if we could use consumables from backpack. It forces everyone's itemization to change to be able to hold dust.

How is this different than any other hero with invisibility? Or any hero who buys an invisibility item?

Any other kind of invis is broken when you attack. The only exception are channeled abilities, used before the invisibility skill. Riki used to have permanent invisibility at lvl 25, which is a much later timing than aghs, and that lasted from 7.07 to 7.26c.

Also, invis heroes are balanced around this. IIRC windrun used to have lower cooldown near the release of the new wr aghs. They have been balancing for this.

Windrun already gives 100% evasion and a slow, and a boost to speed. Do any other kinds of abilities need as many items to counter as windrun? You can dispell, or pierce the 100% evasion, but now you need 2 slots to counter it. you only have 6 slots and theres 4 other heroes on the other team , likely running different meta item strategies, whether its regen, armor, slow, attack speed, control, etc. The invis of the other heros doesn't give other benefits to this extent. Bounty has a stun, riki has bonus damage based on agility. but thats an ultimate. Clinks gets free skeletons. And dispelling windrun doesn't work after they get bkb, the only real option is an mkb on someone.

[mortacci]

Originally posted by Deepbluediver:

Originally posted by ʍolɟ ǝɥʇ ǝsɹǝʌǝɹ:

It would help if we could use consumables from backpack. It forces everyone's itemization to change to be able to hold dust.

How is this different than any other hero with invisibility? Or any hero who buys an invisibility item?

if you don't see the difference form other invisible hero, there is a problem

[Си́нтез]

you don't have a single shred of evidence that any dota player had ever done such a thing

Originally posted by Yukon Cornelius muted:

It was only implemented just because people masturbate to windranger probably. Such a frustrating hero nowadays.

[Deepbluediver]

Originally posted by ʍolɟ ǝɥʇ ǝsɹǝʌǝɹ:

Originally posted by Deepbluediver:

How is this different than any other hero with invisibility? Or any hero who buys an invisibility item?

Any other kind of invis is broken when you attack. The only exception are channeled abilities, used before the invisibility skill. Riki used to have permanent invisibility at lvl 25, which is a much later timing than aghs, and that lasted from 7.07 to 7.26c.

Also, invis heroes are balanced around this. IIRC windrun used to have lower cooldown near the release of the new wr aghs. They have been balancing for this.

Windrun already gives 100% evasion and a slow, and a boost to speed. Do any other kinds of abilities need as many items to counter as windrun? You can dispell, or pierce the 100% evasion, but now you need 2 slots to counter it. you only have 6 slots and theres 4 other heroes on the other team , likely running different meta item strategies, whether its regen, armor, slow, attack speed, control, etc. The invis of the other heros doesn't give other benefits to this extent. Bounty has a stun, riki has bonus damage based on agility. but thats an ultimate. Clinks gets free skeletons. And dispelling windrun doesn't work after they get bkb, the only real option is an mkb on someone.

First, this is a scepter-upgrade, it's SUPPOSED to be good.

Second, other forms of invisibility are balanced differently. For example, Nyx (or anyone with Silver Edge) gets a big burst of initial damage when he loses invis. And Riki can just skulk around the map permenantly invis, picking and choosing his fights. WR doesn't have those benefits.

And third, so then don't try to fight WR when Windrun is up- buy blademail or just wait it out. The same way you can't or shouldn't try to fight other heroes, like Jugg when he ults or Undying when he drops tombstone.

[AerSilver ♞]

Invisibility is only "broken" against low skilled players,I hate that green ginger with a passion but there are worse scepters out there.

[AIR]

Originally posted by AerSilver🗲:

Invisibility is only "broken" against low skilled players,I hate that green ginger with a passion but there are worse scepters out there.

Exactly. If you have space in your backpack even, and it isn't carrying a dust against enemies you know could be usefull, it's just like the smoke test: if there are 3 smokes in your shop during the game, means you are low mmr.

[ʍolɟ ǝɥʇ ǝsɹǝʌǝɹ]

Originally posted by Deepbluediver:

Originally posted by ʍolɟ ǝɥʇ ǝsɹǝʌǝɹ:

Any other kind of invis is broken when you attack. The only exception are channeled abilities, used before the invisibility skill. Riki used to have permanent invisibility at lvl 25, which is a much later timing than aghs, and that lasted from 7.07 to 7.26c.

Also, invis heroes are balanced around this. IIRC windrun used to have lower cooldown near the release of the new wr aghs. They have been balancing for this.

Windrun already gives 100% evasion and a slow, and a boost to speed. Do any other kinds of abilities need as many items to counter as windrun? You can dispell, or pierce the 100% evasion, but now you need 2 slots to counter it. you only have 6 slots and theres 4 other heroes on the other team , likely running different meta item strategies, whether its regen, armor, slow, attack speed, control, etc. The invis of the other heros doesn't give other benefits to this extent. Bounty has a stun, riki has bonus damage based on agility. but thats an ultimate. Clinks gets free skeletons. And dispelling windrun doesn't work after they get bkb, the only real option is an mkb on someone.

First, this is a scepter-upgrade, it's SUPPOSED to be good.

Second, other forms of invisibility are balanced differently. For example, Nyx (or anyone with Silver Edge) gets a big burst of initial damage when he loses invis. And Riki can just skulk around the map permenantly invis, picking and choosing his fights. WR doesn't have those benefits.

And third, so then don't try to fight WR when Windrun is up- buy blademail or just wait it out. The same way you can't or shouldn't try to fight other heroes, like Jugg when he ults or Undying when he drops tombstone.

Yeah, I don't really have a problem with it, her stun being enough to 100 to 0 you back in the day was arguably more an issue. I just like advocating for a change letting consumables be used in backpack 🎒. Disengagement is a good way to deal with it, probably the most efficient so you can use your resources addressing other heroes