Death of DOTA? New Players & low behaviour score

[Baby Stalin]

I would argue my friend is the model noob, and if a model noob is getting sent to Low Priority hell, what chance on earth does an average noob have?

So a few months ago, I was trying to get some of my friends into DOTA. Some picked it up and some didn't. However, the report system, the way its setting up is overly punishing new players. My one friend is actually really chill, nice guy, respectful, very level headed, doesn't tilt but is just new to DOTA. In the course of the past three months, he has now been both muted (he doesn't voice chat, only types) and has a low behaviour score despite not actually griefing, just maybe not good.

The reason I'm bringing this up, is that this type of system of unlimited reports is actually going to kill any potential for renewal in DOTA. People who are new and trying to genuinely learn and are respectful are getting sent to low priority hell where they will never emerge out of it.

People are getting reported left and right for being on the losing team or because people know they can exploit the system by reporting the enemy team.

So I ask again, if a model noob is getting sent to Low Priority hell, what chance on earth does an average noob have?

And furthermore, what chance of renewal does DOTA 2 have if the noobs are being pushed away and a big chunk of the veterans are giving up because of the report system?

If you think matchmaking is bad now, imagine the new future, long match queueing and/or wider skill level/ability difference matchmaking.

[AIR]

Date
Periodic
Excessive Reports
Excessive Abandons
Match Count
Positive Matches
Reported Matches
Abandoned Matches
Reports Reporting Parties
Comms Reports
Comms Reporting
Parties Commends
Behavior Score

2023-12-28 22:53:20 GMT Yes No No 15 14 1 0 1 1 0 0 17 8763
2023-12-27 17:22:39 GMT Yes No No 15 12 3 0 4 3 0 0 15 8730
2023-12-16 00:39:56 GMT Yes No No 15 15 0 0 0 0 0 0 19 8781
2023-11-29 20:10:49 GMT Yes No No 15 14 2 0 2 2 0 0 14 8706
2023-11-22 13:07:18 GMT Yes No No 15 14 2 0 2 2 1 1 15 8673

You do the math.

I've notice that all of those games, I've been getting much less people failing to load - you know, less games being have to be remade. The system still in current development, and we are testing it. It's clear, Valve said it. I'm optmistic towards the future of the system, just wanted more ways to diversify "Commends" and make it something meaningful, and no infinite reports.

I don't use chat by the way - I don't have a hotkey to binded - all I do is link, shift click to suggest, and chatwhell and ocasional voicelines. I do tip good/bad plays, on both sides, like most Dota 2 players do.

[Baby Stalin]

I would love to agree with you. That said, the system report should in the noble quest in trying to create a more welcoming community, become less welcoming through the exact same system.

We shouldn't need a system where only perfect people have a shot, we should have a system where average joe is fine too. The current system is punishing the Average Joe, and even you may notice that it look you a whole month to raise by 100 behaviour score despite trying to be near perfect.

[AIR]

Originally posted by DOTA2 - Why is everyone Muted?:

I would love to agree with you. That said, the system report should in the noble quest in trying to create a more welcoming community, become less welcoming through the exact same system.

We shouldn't need a system where only perfect people have a shot, we should have a system where average joe is fine too. The current system is punishing the Average Joe, and even you may notice that it look you a whole month to raise by 100 behaviour score despite trying to be near perfect.

It's the new standard. We have to adapt, and the new standard isn't even set in stone in Dota terms: they clearly stated that this a beta status.

Sadly, it is what it is. Sailors can't curse on the boat as they used to, and mutiny means death. I try to stay positive and believe that the system that used to reward me 3000 BS for 75 games that positive - 1.1 commend per match at least, no chat, "perfect gentleman" - now just made a variation of 50 points at best.

That means it is less volatile. And harsh on transgressors. Does it need to be tuned better? Of course. And we are right to complain. But we agreed, when they announced the system, that it would take some time to set things right.

[Aleddra]

New players would be bad at the game. Which would cause an individual to lose a lot. This could be frustrating and it could lead to quitting games.

Then 2 games i think, the player is stuck in low priority. Where a bad player will never win 5 games. If the player quit games in new player. It is normal to quit games, in this context.

The penalty is very harsh. Whatever.
The penalty doesn't come off. This is a problem.

I would like to recommend trading wins-losses, for low priority matching. Good behavior screw gets a free win, paired against bad behavior screws.

If there is a better solution, please, consider it.
There is nothing better on the table.

[UmbraAtrox]

Looks like your friends didn't git gud fast enough, you can't expect the implemented systems to simply do their job. Matchmaking can be easily workarounded to give you carry teams against lowbobs because Volvo ---i won't say it again---

[Fistraiser]

SO i have idea.
Put system where you can opt in or out of playing with new players unranked(just hear me out before judge)

If you sign up to be in match with new players you agree when you tick box not to be toxic towards new players in match and if found so will have a long term ban from being part of programme again.This would be to stop people abuse the system for what i mention below.

You incentivize this by giving lets say higher drop rate or potential to get some special chest designed for new players with random sets.We could also create new chest every lets say 6 months so there is still incentive for vets to keep part of this.(this is incentive for the new player but also participating veteran)for dotaplus users it gives you also a dotaplus points bonus.lets say 1000 points if win match with new player.

You also give the new player a 5 game immunity you behaviour score dropping.(This to counter troll and smurf accounts because if you make it any longer then you create more chance of smurfs just making new accounts to spam for the treasure or for people to grief on purpose)

We keep new player in this certain queue for 100 games.After that they can be matched with anybody in unranked,not just the ones who opted for the programme.

We also make this programme not available if you queue as a stack.
This way stacks cant use to stomp noobs to flex internet egos on twitch.

[SANDY]

Soon no ranked games for the Dota2 players just Turbo cow mode for who is interested , its all a big KekW when it comes about this failure reporting system.Trendy thing is that you can get reported for just playing the game so thats kinda cool isn`t it.On a new acc in 1 week i got -8500 Comm/Behav without being bad/ or grief/feed/allchat/chat/voice so what can i say its very interesting i mean when you start a new account you need to play 100+ hours in order to play ranked , right and after you get this crap B/C reporting system you areon your way to TURBO games , bro lmalo who came up with this actual system where you can report everyone for everything gotta be a great mind with HIGH IQ idk man probably the future of Dota2 is TURBO games thts why were getting pushed there

[UmbraAtrox]

Yall need to stop complaining and start to trust in Valve, worked out great so far. Unlike Call of Duty 2, Dota2 still exists. You can thank Valve for that.

[Fistraiser]

Originally posted by UmbraAtrox:

Yall need to stop complaining and start to trust in Valve, worked out great so far. Unlike Call of Duty 2, Dota2 still exists. You can thank Valve for that.

I mean lets be honest every cod is trash.they keep make same game with very little changes and idiots buy most recent one.this more a console user thing.

I think one of the reasons dota is still around is because 1.its free and 2 it doesnt need to confirm to console gamers because trust me if they released this on consoles the game would get changed to be ez mode for woke gamers.

[UmbraAtrox]

Originally posted by Fistraiser:

Originally posted by UmbraAtrox:

Yall need to stop complaining and start to trust in Valve, worked out great so far. Unlike Call of Duty 2, Dota2 still exists. You can thank Valve for that.

I mean lets be honest every cod is trash.they keep make same game with very little changes and idiots buy most recent one.this more a console user thing.

I think one of the reasons dota is still around is because 1.its free and 2 it doesnt need to confirm to console gamers because trust me if they released this on consoles the game would get changed to be ez mode for woke gamers.

You can thank Valve for that

[Fistraiser]

Originally posted by UmbraAtrox:

Originally posted by Fistraiser:

I mean lets be honest every cod is trash.they keep make same game with very little changes and idiots buy most recent one.this more a console user thing.

I think one of the reasons dota is still around is because 1.its free and 2 it doesnt need to confirm to console gamers because trust me if they released this on consoles the game would get changed to be ez mode for woke gamers.

You can thank Valve for that

I mean i do right because they have released some games on console in past with decent success like left4dead franchise.
I feel dota is a special game for valve.its always given me that impression.the fact always gaben video at TI.
I think this game means more for the valve company than alot of players think.
I dont think it would still get regular updates if it didnt.

[UmbraAtrox]

Ofc Dota2 is special to Valve. Why do you think it only took them 10 years to do any work on matchmaking? If Valve didn't care they would have fixed ................... right after it was implemented, when it was pointed out in the forums, but instead Valve loves us, ignores the forums and leaves the ........................... flawed as is so all their players can freely abuse it to this day. Thank you Valve

[Fistraiser]

Originally posted by UmbraAtrox:

Ofc Dota2 is special to Valve. Why do you think it only took them 10 years to do any work on matchmaking? If Valve didn't care they would have fixed ................... right after it was implemented, when it was pointed out in the forums, but instead Valve loves us, ignores the forums and leaves the ........................... flawed as is so all their players can freely abuse it to this day. Thank you Valve

Not being funny but 90% of threads on valve forum are troll threads with people flaming and making up nonsense.its not just this game of course.its a general problem with steam games and the forums.
You go look any game and people blame valve or game devs for their 20 year old pc not being able to run game released 2 years ago.
Or this forum another great example.many the people who cry here are people who got their smurf accounts banned or got banned for cursing and racial abuse at team mates.
Then you have all the people who are bad at game who abuse the fact that there is a smurfing issue to blame for every game they lose because they think they are next TI winner but being held back by team mates or enemy smurfs.....

The reason devs got more involved about smurfs was from feedback from places like reddit and from casters and proplayers and from statistics

[Андрюха пиво]

почему так не любят керри игроков?

[UmbraAtrox]

Originally posted by Fistraiser:

Not being funny but 90% of threads on valve forum are troll threads with people flaming and making up nonsense.its not just this game of course.its a general problem with steam games and the forums.

Maybe, but the implementation error i talked about is real and not fixed to this day.

Originally posted by Fistraiser:

You go look any game and people blame valve or game devs for their 20 year old pc not being able to run game released 2 years ago.

Maybe, but with specs you can draw a clear line where complaints become ridiculous.

Originally posted by Fistraiser:

Or this forum another great example.many the people who cry here are people who got their smurf accounts banned or got banned for cursing and racial abuse at team mates.

Every banwave ever.

Originally posted by Fistraiser:

Then you have all the people who are bad at game who abuse the fact that there is a smurfing issue to blame for every game they lose because they think they are next TI winner but being held back by team mates or enemy smurfs.....

I lost before, i win now, i didn't improve in skill. How?

Originally posted by Fistraiser:

The reason devs got more involved about smurfs was from feedback from places like reddit and from casters and proplayers and from statistics

The reason devs do anything at all is to please their payers from time to time. I doubt anyone who loves videogames still works at Valve.
Why try to be like HG or CIG when you can be like EA and Actiblizz, and make a so much more money?