[Petition] Add Frostivus Key to the Shard Shop!

[AIR]

Just like it is with the Hallowed Chest of the Diretide (20.000 Shards)

I have a lot to say about this patch, but this is a wrong that need to be made right, fast. Hallowed Chest have the key on the shard shop, and that lowered the prices of all items. And that is better for everyone actual players and collectors.

I, personally, didn't bought a single key for the Diretide chest back then. And I will not buy a single Frostivus key either.

BECAUSE IT'S GAMBLING. AND I'M NOT A SHEEP. I WILL WAIT FOR THE PRICES TO LOWER WHILE I SELL THE FREE CHESTS I AM GETTING BEFORE PEOPLE FLOOD THE MARKET AND THEY GET TO BE WORTHLESS. LEARN PATTERNS AND FOLLOW TRENDS: LEARN HOW TO SAVE MONEY, DON'T FALL FOR THIS IDIOTIC "TIER 1" AND UPGRADE LOOTBOX SYSTEM.

The right now market is the "Whale Market": a lot of people gamble / investing on putting the WK Arcana on the market, and people with a lot of money buying it: but this arcana price will drop, a lot.

I'm all up for the items to be on the Market - specially the Arcana Reprint and the Persona Reprint - since now they are added to the Market forever. I hope the Earthshaker, and all other Arcanas (IO won't be re-released because it says "EXCLUSIVE" - none of the other Arcanas does).

This isn't Frostivus: It is just a lootbox drop with a good presentation.

The least they can do is make the Key "Farmable by Playing" so, at least, it is free to play.

[Taweret]

it will probably not drop less than sniper diretide immortal set anyway

[AIR]

Originally posted by Taweret:

it will probably not drop less than sniper diretide immortal set anyway

It's hard to speculate, but prices will drop all around.

[Taweret]

Originally posted by Cybertrump 2077:

Originally posted by Taweret:

it will probably not drop less than sniper diretide immortal set anyway

It's hard to speculate, but prices will drop all around.

i just saw yt video of some russian opening 100 chests and getting 1 - t3 item, the drop rate is ♥♥♥♥

[AIR]

Originally posted by Taweret:

Originally posted by Cybertrump 2077:

It's hard to speculate, but prices will drop all around.

i just saw yt video of some russian opening 100 chests and getting 1 - t3 item, the drop rate is ♥♥♥♥

It's a predatory gamble system.

All Tier 1 are gamble, "dead draw", that you spend money to get a random set.

You update that, so you "randomly gets" a Tier 2.

And so on.

People buying keys are doing it for content or because they want it NOW. And it is just sad to watch this horrific, GOTCHA, gambling lootbox system.

[Taweret]

the set quality and drop rate is downgrade to what we had in collector cache so they had to add the lazy "unusual" effect to some piece of set to make them seem "more rare"

[AIR]

What you should do, as a regular player:

Sell your chests. They will drop the price. Then buy when they are very cheap and hold. If it stop dropping completely, you made some price.

But people are overselling it, and you should too.

[ʍolɟ ǝɥʇ ǝsɹǝʌǝɹ]

The problem with the diretide event was that opening was eventually about a 2 dollar negative value on average after buying the key. Most t1 treasure were only .50 on the market. And this got to that point only based on speculation and chasing rares. I hope this model is better, but I don't see how it could be and yes treasures will go to .01 if the expected return is less than a key

[AIR]

All Tier 1 as buffers in the gambling system. You need 25 keys to make sure that you get to upgrade 5 tier 1 into Tier 2, five times, so you guarantee a tier 3. But since you actually enjoy some Tier 2 and 3, you inevitably ending up with more delays towards "so called progression". And the final gamble is tier 4, where you can either get an expensive remake.

This is the classic "give so take doesn't seem bad": they gave us an updated on the smurf / alt / boosting situation, and we enjoyed that very much; they gave an update on gameplay, being balanced. So we got to enjoy. And people don't know how to handle mix feelings: a lot of people are actually defending Valve for giving us a "lot of us", and calling some people "entitled" when Valve jush made a predatory, gambling system lootbox.

This isn't Frostivus: It is just a lootbox drop with a good presentation.

https://steamcommunity.com/app/570/discussions/0/4038104133465778124/
https://steamcommunity.com/app/570/discussions/0/4038104133465654911/

This isn't Frostivus: It is just a lootbox drop with a good presentation.

[AFFILIATE: Pantone]

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[Drake>Kendrick]

Did Valve ever changed something after someone was mad in the steam forum?

[°Dofus]

you guys are the people i guess,start a vote or something.surely valve will see the mistake in capitalism and will obay the will of all free people.
i love money,and people that make and take and shake money.

[OTPb1B]

+++RIPFROSTIVUS+++

[Joshua Kurayami]

Originally posted by Cybertrump 2077:

Just like it is with the Hallowed Chest of the Diretide (20.000 Shards)

There are no keys that's bought with shards for 'Hallowed Chest of the Diretide', only with cash. The one that can be opened with shards is the 'Dead Reckoning Chest'.

[AIR]

Originally posted by Joshua Kurayami:

Originally posted by Cybertrump 2077:

Just like it is with the Hallowed Chest of the Diretide (20.000 Shards)

There are no keys that's bought with shards for 'Hallowed Chest of the Diretide', only with cash. The one that can be opened with shards is the 'Dead Reckoning Chest'.

Yes, that was a typo. Thanks for pointing that out. Truth is, as you pointed out, the Hallowed Chest of Diretide doesn't have the key for sale either.

Both chests should get a key. 20.000 shards is already hard to farm. The key is just a way for EVERYONE to benefit from it if they so choose, as a real free to play experience: you play, you earn, you open.

This lootbox concept can be worse than the "Immortal Chest" model. At least when you buy immortal chests, you get "Increasing Odds", and a table that show you where you are. This not only doesn't have increasing odds, but you destroy the items during the "Upgrade". Sure you had the option to recycle before, but you always had "something to keep" after opening each chests.

On one hand, they made a patch that players actually like - gameplay wise, not messing the map too much, while adding new items and balance, quality of life changes and a lot of micro updates to orient the game in a better direction, also adressing smurfs / boosts honestly like rare few companies do; on the other hand, they did not release an event, no terrain or creeps, and aside from the 14 rewards (sprays and sticks), players get only a box to resell for people willing to spend a fortune in gambling.

Last diretide we had the "Candy Game", where people would choose and craft and play around, I even got a second terrorblade bound to account - which is bad, because I can't sell.

My point, in short, is that it was effortless when it comes to "alternative play" and for collectors. Having the key for 20.000 is the bare minimum.

[ʍolɟ ǝɥʇ ǝsɹǝʌǝɹ]

well the sets that you get are 1$ on average in the market, I guess thats an improvement.