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AIR Dec 13, 2023 @ 10:51pm
Patch is coming, you clowns. The patch notes are the text in Bold.
There is a lot of etc., but it is all there. There is more, but you find out.

Yes, I'm back from Covid. It sucked.

Chill out.
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AIR Dec 13, 2023 @ 11:06pm 
A DARK INCANTATION

A SACK OF GIFTS PRESENT, A SACK OF GIFTS PAST,
A SACK OF GIFTS TAKEN (BUT OFTEN BROUGHT BACK).

THIS FIRST SACK OF GIFTS IS UNKNOWN TO THIS REALM:
THE NEMESIS CURSE,
THE WHISPER OF DREAD,
THE MOONLIGHT TIARA,
AND MUCH MORE,

SOME GIFTS I'VE IMPROVED,
AND SOME I'VE DERANGED.
ALL THAT NEED CONCERN YOU IS THAT THEY HAVE CHANGED.

THE ORB OF CORROSION,
ARCANE BOOTS,
BLOODTHORN.
THESE AND MORE
I HAVE ALTERED
SINCE LAST THEY WERE WORN

"THE THIRD GIFT,"
"IS MY FAVORITE KIND...

THE GIFT I TAKE BACK."
I'M TAKING THEM ALL
AND QUICKENING CHARM AND GOOD OL' QUARTERSTAFF.

"THE TORMENTOR AND ROSHAN SHALL HAVE NEW ABILITIES!"




New Arcana/Persona, Reprint of Arcana/Persona. Another reprint of Immortals probably.
Only first "great reward ready on delivery, means we have to wait for reveal of major rewards. Work in progress. They changed how Lootboxes will work.

Orb, Arcana Boots, Bloodthorn changes, and more.

It is weird the passage where he mentions a list of neutral items, and then saying "he is taking them all". Maybe removal of neutral itens from the game - and quarterstaff and quickening?

And obvious, tormentor and roshan will have new stuff too.
YONGSINNER (Banned) Dec 14, 2023 @ 1:25am 
Roshan - +5 move speed
Tormentor - has a hat now
Grimmz Dec 14, 2023 @ 1:39am 
i just hope its something new and not like recycled old content in a slightly new package...
Sagitta Luminis Dec 14, 2023 @ 2:25am 
wait why u still got covid in 2023???
abnd yes, i think the same,,,, i think they re-release the untradeable arcana from the past and its good...
they place so many clues in their post about new update, and i like it
AFFILIATE: Pantone Dec 14, 2023 @ 2:54am 
Still no tinnitus fix
Wen Yifan~ Dec 14, 2023 @ 3:05am 
Originally posted by Sagitta Luminis:
i think they re-release the untradeable arcana from the past and its good...
I hope this is the case.
Fantastic Fwoosh Dec 14, 2023 @ 3:40am 
Neutral items have been revoked and changed en-masse before, maybe its just a new cycle of them rather than a total overhaul. A few moved over to normal items could easily fill the gap by quarterstaff (which means a echo-blade recipe change, which seems more likely a neutral will be coming to fill it)

Iron Talon G's, never forget.
AIR Dec 14, 2023 @ 6:04am 
Originally posted by Ahsuca:
Still no tinnitus fix

I wrote steam support about it, they said they were sorry about it and meant no offense towards people that struggle with it. It's just one of those expressions that sadly plague the way people speak: for example, a lot you see people pointing to a behavior and saying it's schizophrenic: that is a real mental disease, that can plague anyone but people use it without intent to offend those who have the disease, but a poor choice of wards to describe "erratic" behavior.

I mean, the way I see this whole poem, the person who wrote it noticed that writing poetry is hard if it is to be meaninful: I bet they started thinking about making it about all items, one by one. You can see he or she did end up in frustration saying "Here, and Roshan and Tormentors now have a new skill".

I'm also curious about the logos on the chest keyslot in the image. You see the three images right there, they use the current "Neutral Item Token Icons". Neutral items were nice for a while, filled a gap, but imo they are too RNG. Philosopher's Stone is hard to balance around, and it's just an item. Having the time drop window would create artificial benchmarks and timers for people. Roshan is a nice timer because we know, randomly, when he will spawn, in a window. The RNG factor make it for interesting dynamics. Roshan, now with Twin Gates, is just something much more interesting. So, I would be happy if those items were just gone. I honestly think they will just integrate some of the neutral items to the store, maybe with a timer - like tier 1 of the "Secret Shop" opens at minute 10, Tier 2 at 20 minutes, and so one: specials items you could buy, timelocked, like Aghanim's Shards. Some of those itens are cool.

I think Aquilla is gone for good, thou. That item is good for ANY hero, even being balanced mostly agi, the aura is just too good for a team not to play with one. And we already have the wraith/bracer/null option versus falcon blade, when you fine tune how you want to enchance cheap. Aquilla was nice, but one person having in a team fight can really help out. 1 Mana regen bro. 2 armor is kinda irrelevant, but it's not nothing. Auras are hard to balance. I miss wraith totem, was it was kinda ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ a skull totem being more important target then players in some TF's. When people noticed how strong that ♥♥♥♥ was, it was mandatory. Quarterstaff is used in A LOT of stuff, and it's a very generic item that makes hard to balance mask of madness, echo. And if you consider that it is involved in a lot of micro management, removing it basically remove a lot of recipes and make micro management more "easy".

I don't know about that if I'm good or not about. But changes are like that, and we complain, and if they read, the could use the feedback.

It's a seasonal patch, I did not expect them to talk about Smurfs Ban Number updates, adressing cheats, Dota Plus, Overwatch, Commends not counting, Reports counting just a touch too much and people having the infinite option to report and earning extra reports for reporting gameplay abuse is problematic. Or measures to draw new players.

As @Fantastic Fwoosh mentioned, you get to have items like Iron Talon, Mirror Shield... items that are just really messed up. About the Quarterstaff, they mentioned Bloodthorn changing aswell accordingly to the post.

Originally posted by Sagitta Luminis:
wait why u still got covid in 2023???
abnd yes, i think the same,,,, i think they re-release the untradeable arcana from the past and its good...
they place so many clues in their post about new update, and i like it

Man, it so happens that we all get covid, all the time nowdays: it's a highly contagious virus, we all get and carry, just like a flu and, just like a flu, if our immunology system is down for some reason, when we get exposed to the virus - even if you had it before - you might get symptons of the disease. My kidneys are bad with kidney stones, it's genetics, so I get to struggle with all that involves all the time. Was mostly a strong headache, with a lot of muscular pain, but a lot of meds and being extremely tired because of those things and just like the flu, sometimes it takes longer for full recovery.

I hope they really bring back some Arcana. I hope that they finally give us the Chinese Version of the Wraith King Arcana - the black armor. Google it, you will love it. It's because of chinese censorship for showing human like bones in games, they had to cover the skeleton in a badass plate mail.

I had a friend that would love to have that.

As long as they give it the model for free to people that already own the arcana, I'm 100% for it. And they should make it Marketable, so people that own the previous version with the bones and fire style, get the option to sale. I would also like the option to reset the quest, it's kinda fun to play the minigame of killing heroes. I believe the WK Arcana would be the first great reprint. And I'm really on the fence about the WK - either being seasonable or marketable: I like marketable stuff, not because I trade, but because it's cheaper to buy there than in Valve Store. I just believe the people that own the previous version could have to keep something exclusive: maybe, the WK Arcana Reprint is JUST the black armor from the chinese version. China would need to get something thou.

All I am saying is that a golden bord to my invoker persona is not enough to show it's the OG. The only items that I got that are original are will not be reprint - because the text says so - are the legion wings, a chest of green items for some heroes and io arcana and some terrain and units things.

I'm all up for arcana reprints. But just like they redid the Earth Shaker immortal bracers to have an immortal effect, years and years after people requesting, I don't know why they can't have things like that.

Pretty much this

Originally posted by Grimmz:
i just hope its something new and not like recycled old content in a slightly new package...


I have always requested lootboxes to be gone, and some sort ot "buy and choose until you have chosen all, then you could "repeat". Or maybe just choose, with a purchasable token. Treasure is just the name of the "pack". Each key would have a chance to be a golden key that provides the expensive and ultra rare effect around your hero, but no more Ultra Rare, or Rare sets, and no more % chance: you want one specific set? You purchase that set from the store via purchasing a "1 Dollar Token", for example.

No More Gambling. No more community rewards set behind ultra rare lootgambleboxes.

They will sell more, trust me: a lot of people don't buy sets because they have to buy multiple box to have 100% chance to get one specific set. It's a bait technique to buy, and it's messed up. Maybe have a super rare set, I don't know about the game value of items purchased on the market and sold, I don't have that data, I'm not a broaker lol. Just my avatar is a ferocious "dealer man". I'm Cybertrump 2077, not Donald J.

But gambling is bad. It's good PR. You still force a rotation of opening all the boxes to get a repeat, so you know, money gotta be made I guess. Ending lootboxes and having a lottery system with 1 in a billion for each token you use, seems more fine to me, then having the current messed up system of gambling multiple times just because you want one set. It's like going to a bar with friends, and people start calling dibs.

I think the roshan changes and tormentor changes might be cool. Make them more rewarding is a hard thing to balance thou. But they have the Data for that so, It's cool. Kinda hard to spoil those.
You are thinking too hard about this. It's not this complex. I really doubt they put that much thought into it. Yes keeping offensive language out, that's easy if you have someone proof it for you. It's better to wait until it's out than to speculate since at this stage our discussion won't have a chance of influencing or affecting it. It's shipping as it is, with last minute work means they are polishing a 💩 turd or a 💎 gem, we don't know yet
Robka Dec 14, 2023 @ 7:45am 
I bet they will nerf cm again
Robka Dec 14, 2023 @ 7:46am 
cm persona needs cool effect like the wolf is more radiant the more mana the team got in total regen or something. Literally the poorest and coolest persona
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Sleepless Dec 14, 2023 @ 7:50am 
where are the stickers and voicelines we need them so badly
AIR Dec 14, 2023 @ 7:57am 
Originally posted by ʍolɟ ǝɥʇ ǝsɹǝʌǝɹ:
You are thinking too hard about this. It's not this complex. I really doubt they put that much thought into it. Yes keeping offensive language out, that's easy if you have someone proof it for you. It's better to wait until it's out than to speculate since at this stage our discussion won't have a chance of influencing or affecting it. It's shipping as it is, with last minute work means they are polishing a 💩 turd or a 💎 gem, we don't know yet

Oh, for sure. It's just speculation for the sake of speculation, it has absolute no intent it shaping a gem or a turd or a gem turd.

It's expectation, for spectation's sake, based on the message that the devs intentionally put in there. It's not really that complicated. Like the emoji update that was actually readable.

The "Having to buy 15 lootboxes to get the basic set I want with 100%" was a turn of for a lot of people that wanted to sell some cards they earned from another game and just wanted to buy one set. And since Dota takes a cut from it, and also Steam on market transactions, profiting for players that invest very little to no money can be, on a large scale, a profitable, as long as they keep monetization somehow a thing for people that want to spend a lot and really collect hardcore. I'm posite there will be another baby roshan statue IRL.

If last compendium did not had a 1/5 scale model, I would say "yeah, they are done with replicas". But it had, that means the business deals with those companies that produces those are still profitable.

I really don't mind if ends up being lackluster to spectation in many ways. Just harmless conversation, but Dota needs to change. The whole "whale approach" isn't for all - we are more close gated than CS if you consider that Dota Plus and avoid list is a benefit in matchmaking quality. Dota is great for being free to play, all heroes from the start unlike all other mobas out there that monetize on timegating heroes/champions. But we need more players, the oil lords aren't paying the bills. And the whole concept of Dota is to be approachable, it has always been. People are hostile towards random players in solo queues, but usually when there is a group invitation and teaching, things tend to go smoother then league, lets say, because it's not skill shot based but more oriented about decisions oriented from the creep to the hero and item interactions, lane partners, neutrals.

Cheapers treasures choice instead of gambling will attrach people from treasure season to season, and some might suck and leave and just buy one treasure, and some might stay and bring more people. Dota, solo ranked and in mirror to normal and even turbo, are very win oriented - guild awards and such - that is hostile everywhere. Newplay Experience is a joke, bots are a joke. There isn't really a safe mode to play where 80% are not try harding and reporting all around, or afraid to speak to trigger the odds of getting a false report from a general report andy. There isn't even a pre matchmaking system besides custom chat, dota tournament on the weekend, or communities outside, and the grinding in the guild system, the shards prices being ridiculously high for all sets, the price... Dota + is just a shadow of what it could be.

I'm sure gonna enjoy this patch, being waiting for this event since the start of TI, it was supposed to be the halloween event. You release evil clown pupper master on halloween. But ♥♥♥♥ happens. It's been delayed for almost 6 months. I think they are done with world of warcraft and it's gonna be a good patch.

Dota always had "Stable" attached to it. It was ok, changed, all the time, but it had a shape and form: when you add a new map, when you restrict people in an arbitrary point system, instead of having two mmr ratings for solo and group you get one and some people just stop liking the system and see themselves playing for less mmr when in group for each game, and that isn't really a solution, unless you are actually boosting. The system rewards smurfs; and finally, you change the stable, seasonal event around TI from "During TI" to not after TI and not going towards e-sports.

Things are either gonna be amazing or awful.
Sagitta Luminis Dec 14, 2023 @ 9:22am 
Originally posted by Cybertrump 2077:
Originally posted by Ahsuca:
Still no tinnitus fix

I wrote steam support about it, they said they were sorry about it and meant no offense towards people that struggle with it. It's just one of those expressions that sadly plague the way people speak: for example, a lot you see people pointing to a behavior and saying it's schizophrenic: that is a real mental disease, that can plague anyone but people use it without intent to offend those who have the disease, but a poor choice of wards to describe "erratic" behavior.

I mean, the way I see this whole poem, the person who wrote it noticed that writing poetry is hard if it is to be meaninful: I bet they started thinking about making it about all items, one by one. You can see he or she did end up in frustration saying "Here, and Roshan and Tormentors now have a new skill".

I'm also curious about the logos on the chest keyslot in the image. You see the three images right there, they use the current "Neutral Item Token Icons". Neutral items were nice for a while, filled a gap, but imo they are too RNG. Philosopher's Stone is hard to balance around, and it's just an item. Having the time drop window would create artificial benchmarks and timers for people. Roshan is a nice timer because we know, randomly, when he will spawn, in a window. The RNG factor make it for interesting dynamics. Roshan, now with Twin Gates, is just something much more interesting. So, I would be happy if those items were just gone. I honestly think they will just integrate some of the neutral items to the store, maybe with a timer - like tier 1 of the "Secret Shop" opens at minute 10, Tier 2 at 20 minutes, and so one: specials items you could buy, timelocked, like Aghanim's Shards. Some of those itens are cool.

I think Aquilla is gone for good, thou. That item is good for ANY hero, even being balanced mostly agi, the aura is just too good for a team not to play with one. And we already have the wraith/bracer/null option versus falcon blade, when you fine tune how you want to enchance cheap. Aquilla was nice, but one person having in a team fight can really help out. 1 Mana regen bro. 2 armor is kinda irrelevant, but it's not nothing. Auras are hard to balance. I miss wraith totem, was it was kinda ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ a skull totem being more important target then players in some TF's. When people noticed how strong that ♥♥♥♥ was, it was mandatory. Quarterstaff is used in A LOT of stuff, and it's a very generic item that makes hard to balance mask of madness, echo. And if you consider that it is involved in a lot of micro management, removing it basically remove a lot of recipes and make micro management more "easy".

I don't know about that if I'm good or not about. But changes are like that, and we complain, and if they read, the could use the feedback.

It's a seasonal patch, I did not expect them to talk about Smurfs Ban Number updates, adressing cheats, Dota Plus, Overwatch, Commends not counting, Reports counting just a touch too much and people having the infinite option to report and earning extra reports for reporting gameplay abuse is problematic. Or measures to draw new players.

As @Fantastic Fwoosh mentioned, you get to have items like Iron Talon, Mirror Shield... items that are just really messed up. About the Quarterstaff, they mentioned Bloodthorn changing aswell accordingly to the post.

Originally posted by Sagitta Luminis:
wait why u still got covid in 2023???
abnd yes, i think the same,,,, i think they re-release the untradeable arcana from the past and its good...
they place so many clues in their post about new update, and i like it

Man, it so happens that we all get covid, all the time nowdays: it's a highly contagious virus, we all get and carry, just like a flu and, just like a flu, if our immunology system is down for some reason, when we get exposed to the virus - even if you had it before - you might get symptons of the disease. My kidneys are bad with kidney stones, it's genetics, so I get to struggle with all that involves all the time. Was mostly a strong headache, with a lot of muscular pain, but a lot of meds and being extremely tired because of those things and just like the flu, sometimes it takes longer for full recovery.

I hope they really bring back some Arcana. I hope that they finally give us the Chinese Version of the Wraith King Arcana - the black armor. Google it, you will love it. It's because of chinese censorship for showing human like bones in games, they had to cover the skeleton in a badass plate mail.

I had a friend that would love to have that.

As long as they give it the model for free to people that already own the arcana, I'm 100% for it. And they should make it Marketable, so people that own the previous version with the bones and fire style, get the option to sale. I would also like the option to reset the quest, it's kinda fun to play the minigame of killing heroes. I believe the WK Arcana would be the first great reprint. And I'm really on the fence about the WK - either being seasonable or marketable: I like marketable stuff, not because I trade, but because it's cheaper to buy there than in Valve Store. I just believe the people that own the previous version could have to keep something exclusive: maybe, the WK Arcana Reprint is JUST the black armor from the chinese version. China would need to get something thou.

All I am saying is that a golden bord to my invoker persona is not enough to show it's the OG. The only items that I got that are original are will not be reprint - because the text says so - are the legion wings, a chest of green items for some heroes and io arcana and some terrain and units things.

I'm all up for arcana reprints. But just like they redid the Earth Shaker immortal bracers to have an immortal effect, years and years after people requesting, I don't know why they can't have things like that.

Pretty much this

Originally posted by Grimmz:
i just hope its something new and not like recycled old content in a slightly new package...


I have always requested lootboxes to be gone, and some sort ot "buy and choose until you have chosen all, then you could "repeat". Or maybe just choose, with a purchasable token. Treasure is just the name of the "pack". Each key would have a chance to be a golden key that provides the expensive and ultra rare effect around your hero, but no more Ultra Rare, or Rare sets, and no more % chance: you want one specific set? You purchase that set from the store via purchasing a "1 Dollar Token", for example.

No More Gambling. No more community rewards set behind ultra rare lootgambleboxes.

They will sell more, trust me: a lot of people don't buy sets because they have to buy multiple box to have 100% chance to get one specific set. It's a bait technique to buy, and it's messed up. Maybe have a super rare set, I don't know about the game value of items purchased on the market and sold, I don't have that data, I'm not a broaker lol. Just my avatar is a ferocious "dealer man". I'm Cybertrump 2077, not Donald J.

But gambling is bad. It's good PR. You still force a rotation of opening all the boxes to get a repeat, so you know, money gotta be made I guess. Ending lootboxes and having a lottery system with 1 in a billion for each token you use, seems more fine to me, then having the current messed up system of gambling multiple times just because you want one set. It's like going to a bar with friends, and people start calling dibs.

I think the roshan changes and tormentor changes might be cool. Make them more rewarding is a hard thing to balance thou. But they have the Data for that so, It's cool. Kinda hard to spoil those.
idk about wk arcana, but i prefer they do something about lina cosmetic. her arcana so poor compared to others, and her other cosmetic with custom animation cost very high price even on the market.

i hope they made hand item for her 3rd who change color depending on how much the stack or the duration, since its have 7 stack max now, or just make persona for her.
i mean she was like valve dearest daughter in the old days, the dev often put her on splash art news update, but now she faded.

current arcana is good tho, but i just want to see baddass lina arcana maybe with more fiery effects, not only with bald head with fiery hair and eye on fire
Robka Dec 14, 2023 @ 9:49am 
Hey can I get another award like clown or something :D
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