Compendium Complaining

[Long Bottom Leaf]

Valve announced like 3 months ago that the compendium wasn't going to have a hundred 10 cent items to bait whales, fewer (if any) game modes that don't add anything to the base game, and a play = progression type of levelling but with payment options.

So what is the point? The point is literally the only reason the compendium ever existed in the first place, supporting the devs, players, castors, event workers in every capacity, and of course the prize pool.

People freaking out about not having their hundred 10 cent items truly boggles my mind. It's a repeat of people freaking out that OW2 doesn't have lootbox gambling, when those same people cried that OW was full of lootbox gambling. The purpose of the compendium is to focus on the event and the game, instead of pumping out game modes that add nothing to the game and cosmetics that only fuel the steam community market.

On top of that, for years now valve has pushed out content in different phases for the compendium, it's pretty likely they will role out more content. It costs $9.99 for 6 levels, it's a cheap way to support the game. If all you want is a 1 dollar arcana and 50 ten cent items, then just buy some off of the steam community market bruh.

[Deepbluediver]

Also, Valve have previously released the 10th anniversary event (free cosmetics), and the collector's cache (paid cosmetics), so if cosmetics/skins are your jam, you've had plenty of of opportunity to get them lately.

[Long Bottom Leaf]

Originally posted by Deepbluediver:

Also, Valve have previously released the 10th anniversary event (free cosmetics), and the collector's cache (paid cosmetics), so if cosmetics/skins are your jam, you've had plenty of of opportunity to get them lately.

Big True

[tacohunter]

Completely incorrect assessment. Please stop conflating those that complained with the bp in the past with those complaining now. DIfferent groups have different wants.

This compendium is an objective failure. Player numbers have not risen like they have in the past with ti and bp releases. Ti cash pool is abysmal compared to past years. With dpc being dropped and less money going into ti now pro players will struggle more then ever.

So what that most bp buyers didnt care about the pro scene, it still helped prop it up for those that did.

Dota 2s pro scene and casual players are hurt by this setup. Look at the numbers. Let people voice their dismay in the hopes that it will bring change. The old system worked and worked well for growing the player base and paying the pro scene. What, now will valve just pocket 100% of arcana sales etc to leave the pro scene to flounder?

[Dominic]

Originally posted by DANTE:

This is about make the 3 months to become a year so after compendium there will be another event, and another after that and another after it. No more everything lock behind 3 months BP. After that the player go down for 9 months.

i mean that logic doesnt really work... if players came for the "3 months" of battle pass then they sure as hell aint coming back this time even if there is an "event". This years compendium is worthless to everyone who doesnt care about proscene and fantasy cards (which is likely quite a lot who dont care myself included). what im trying to say here is players didnt just come for any event they came for bp for the skins but also as a mini progression system to work through. going through doing all the cavern challanges, doing the event mode (like aghs lab, siltbreaker, etc) was fun and skins as the reward for doing em was great. this current one holds no appeal so even if they host "events" like this back to back it isnt going to draw in nor retain nearly as many as previous years battlepasses.

[Deepbluediver]

Originally posted by Dominic:

i mean that logic doesnt really work... if players came for the "3 months" of battle pass then they sure as hell aint coming back this time even if there is an "event". This years compendium is worthless to everyone who doesnt care about proscene and fantasy cards (which is likely quite a lot who dont care myself included). what im trying to say here is players didnt just come for any event they came for bp for the skins but also as a mini progression system to work through. going through doing all the cavern challanges, doing the event mode (like aghs lab, siltbreaker, etc) was fun and skins as the reward for doing em was great. this current one holds no appeal so even if they host "events" like this back to back it isnt going to draw in nor retain nearly as many as previous years battlepasses.

Or it just frees up Valve to release other events like Siltbreaker, Agh's Lab, etc etc etc SEPARATELY so they can be given full attention when they are out, and TI can be given full attention when it's out.

And if people only show up during the BP to earn cosmetics, Valve is still free to release those on a case-by-case basis and people can buy them or not, as they are interested.

[Aetik]

Compared to the last pass, there is not even a cave exploration with THREE untradable skins to play for. Not only that, high value skins like arcanas or persona always were untradable. You invested always much more then you could pull out of the skins even much much later. Make all the skins only giftable if you want but give the players something to make it worth to level the pass, in the actual form the pro teams are the ones who get punished for loud minority who cried for these changes to this pass.

[tacohunter]

player numbers would spring back for far more then 3 months. The smaller events like in the past would bring back far fewer players and the trend for their player base drop off was massive in just two weeks on average. Look into the numbers. Nothing brought back players like a well made bp, and nothing retained players like it either. Multiple events yearly aren't likely to have much effect at all unless they differ greatly from those that came before them.

Which i highly doubt.

[Lollipop]

Originally posted by DANTE:

Thats exactly what Dota players want and finally Valve deliver it.

Don't talk too soon we have no idea what's coming after the compendium. They litteraly haven't delivered anything the player want yet and they have compromised the prizepool and Ti hype abysmally.

Ti used to not only be a tournament, but a big player base party gather up. Now it's litteral just stickers.

Where's the progressive chatwheel? (ex. moooo)

Arcana vote? Map skin? Ti theme?

All this made us feel part of the thing. The entire map and player interactions felt different during the event.

Now The International feels like this thing happening on the other side of the world which nobody cares about unless you're planning on attending the event live. Even frostivus and new bloom was better than that.

Like what the hell is even Ti's theme this year? Blue? Lmao

[Sarul19]

this compendium is basically them experiment on how many player are actually support the tournament. and them trying to see if those player that keep asking stop giving battlepass that give only skin as cashgrab. i see it as filter. others see it as thrash.

[Absche]

I was initially positive after the announcement about the changes to Battle Pass. I welcomed the move away from a single large event on the assumption that Valve's efforts would instead be focused on a carefully planned and communicated series of smaller events. Especially since they have always ripped their own schedule with their big event.

Further, I expected/hoped that they would move away from just delivering more and more elaborate cosmetics to making changes in the game design itself with stronger outreach and involvement to the player community.

But now the announcement at the time looks more like a marketing-skillful hiding of a budget cut in Dota2.

I had just seen after the extensive changes to the map to a future of Dota2, now rather not. Dota2 looks more and more like a discontinued model, which is still operated until it becomes unprofitable even with minimal investment.

[Grimmz]

Originally posted by tacohunter:

Completely incorrect assessment. Please stop conflating those that complained with the bp in the past with those complaining now. DIfferent groups have different wants.

This compendium is an objective failure. Player numbers have not risen like they have in the past with ti and bp releases. Ti cash pool is abysmal compared to past years. With dpc being dropped and less money going into ti now pro players will struggle more then ever.

So what that most bp buyers didnt care about the pro scene, it still helped prop it up for those that did.

Dota 2s pro scene and casual players are hurt by this setup. Look at the numbers. Let people voice their dismay in the hopes that it will bring change. The old system worked and worked well for growing the player base and paying the pro scene. What, now will valve just pocket 100% of arcana sales etc to leave the pro scene to flounder?

couldn't have said it better myself. this is very true.

guys its not rocket science, it doesn't need to be so complicated.

people love the yearly event game modes and grind content + whales love the lvl 500+ arcana. something for everyone.

this compendium is like communist pass, everyone gets everything and nothing at the same time lmao its just really poor representation.

the heart of this game are the casual players, the turbo enjoyers, ability draft enthusiasts.
these people pay the bills and keep the doors open, this is the demographic valve should cater towards and not the 5% who like pro games or high level ranked play.

well the last bit i gotta disagree. i don't think most players care about the pro scene or who pockets the money. i mean wouldn't it be better that valve puts that money in their payroll for some future updates or give it to some millionaire manchild that screams death threats in pub games.

[Redzeth]

Originally posted by Deepbluediver:

Originally posted by Dominic:

i mean that logic doesnt really work... if players came for the "3 months" of battle pass then they sure as hell aint coming back this time even if there is an "event". This years compendium is worthless to everyone who doesnt care about proscene and fantasy cards (which is likely quite a lot who dont care myself included). what im trying to say here is players didnt just come for any event they came for bp for the skins but also as a mini progression system to work through. going through doing all the cavern challanges, doing the event mode (like aghs lab, siltbreaker, etc) was fun and skins as the reward for doing em was great. this current one holds no appeal so even if they host "events" like this back to back it isnt going to draw in nor retain nearly as many as previous years battlepasses.

Or it just frees up Valve to release other events like Siltbreaker, Agh's Lab, etc etc etc SEPARATELY so they can be given full attention when they are out, and TI can be given full attention when it's out.

And if people only show up during the BP to earn cosmetics, Valve is still free to release those on a case-by-case basis and people can buy them or not, as they are interested.

It was never about buying the cosmetics, it's about having goals that give a dopamine rush when you get closer to some of the big ticket items. The fact that Im looking at a reward screen full of garbage does not really make me want to play the game beyond the few casual matches a week I do. This event has not managed to want me to play the game more than normal.

With the battlepass I would always like to play the goals just to get closer to those cool arcana. The only ones who complain are kids who don't have the cash to buy in.

Sure I could buy a normal ass arcana, but where is the satisfaction of having earned it and a story behind it that makes it feel good to play it?

[Redzeth]

Originally posted by DANTE:

Originally posted by Absche:

I was initially positive after the announcement about the changes to Battle Pass. I welcomed the move away from a single large event on the assumption that Valve's efforts would instead be focused on a carefully planned and communicated series of smaller events. Especially since they have always ripped their own schedule with their big event.

Further, I expected/hoped that they would move away from just delivering more and more elaborate cosmetics to making changes in the game design itself with stronger outreach and involvement to the player community.

But now the announcement at the time looks more like a marketing-skillful hiding of a budget cut in Dota2.

I had just seen after the extensive changes to the map to a future of Dota2, now rather not. Dota2 looks more and more like a discontinued model, which is still operated until it becomes unprofitable even with minimal investment.

Bigger question is this = will Dota2 get new reboot like CS:GO = Counter Strike2 ?

Sorry champ, this game already has a 2 in the name

[Redzeth]

Originally posted by DANTE:

Originally posted by Lvl3.Rabbit:

Don't talk too soon we have no idea what's coming after the compendium. They litteraly haven't delivered anything the player want yet and they have compromised the prizepool and Ti hype abysmally.

Ti used to not only be a tournament, but a big player base party gather up. Now it's litteral just stickers.

Where's the progressive chatwheel? (ex. moooo)

Arcana vote? Map skin? Ti theme?

All this made us feel part of the thing. The entire map and player interactions felt different during the event.

Now The International feels like this thing happening on the other side of the world which nobody cares about unless you're planning on attending the event live.

Like what the hell is even Ti's theme this year? Blue? Lmao

Don’t worry they have enough money already for the pro scene. Remember riyadh masters alone is 15 millions prizepool and its not even major tournaments.

And finally we can rest this month and save up money and spread it thru out the whole years for many other event. Unlike every other year. All money just for 3 months battlepass but bare nothing for the next 9 months.

Man if you need 9 months to save up 50 bucks, you must be living on the streets

[TAG]

tbh. I want maps, weather effects, and ungiftable items. if they are being lazy. The exclusive items and maps. Give us a chance to get some of the og stuff the new players missed. I was a poor kid. now Im a whale. Thats the ♥♥♥♥ I want.