Juggernaut counters Ember Spirit... how?

[Ren]

Hello everyone. I've been checking some stats on DotaBuff recently and something cought my eye.
http://i.imgur.com/QOEtOO6.png
Juggernaut is a strong matchup against Ember according to statistics. May I ask you, how?
I mean, there are heroes who can just stop Juggernaut's Omnislash with their skills (Leap, Shadow Dance, Blink etc) and most of the time Omnislash is the reason why Juggernaut is picked. If that's the case I usually build an orchid, but that's not something you see everyday in pubs (He has been picked 1,162,653 times this week, but only 2,996 built Orchid). Asuming most of the people who play Juggernaut don't build Orchid, can't Ember just Remnant away? Or does Juggernaut keep slashing his "Ball of Fire(?)" form like he does when someone is Eul'ed.

[PizzaDroid]

ember could just sleight of fist and be fine as long as there are no other targets for juggy to jump to. im not sure about the remnants though

[Angie]

jug has advantage over es coz he has spin and healing fountain and got base critical, if jug dominate es in early game. es will find really problem coz fat jug can kill es in 3 hit. On the other hand even es got more farm than jug still 1 vs 1 against is really dangerous where jug has perfect ability to eliminate the single hero while es has ability which focus on team battle and defence spell for magic damage. Another this about jug vs es is jug ulti is not magical and it pure melee damage.

[Quickshooter]

seering chains is not a stun
it's a root, you can still BKB out of it

hench why jug's spin is a perfect counter.

[QQQ]

Ember Spirit's Skills are all Magical except Sleight of Fist. So Ember Spirit can't do anything while Juggernaut have his Omnislash/Battlefury. Fire Remnants can dodge/avoid Omnislash just like Blinks or Teleportations. But I have no idea with Leap or Force Staff.

Anyway, I have a question to this Juggernaut and ES problem. If enemy's hero is omnislashed, for example AM. While AM blink out, and Juggernaut got Blink Dagger. While AM blink out as the same time juggernaut blink using his Blink dagger to where AM Blinked, what will happen? Anyone tried this once? Is the Omnislash will keep slashing AM or just cancel the Omnislash itself?

[Angie]

nope
nothing will happen. if am blink out and jug will stop and u got time to blink but ulti will not continue. unless pudge hook jug in ulti, rip pudge.

[Angie]

Originally posted by Slaaneshi:

Originally posted by proXee:

Ember Spirit's Skills are all Magical except Sleight of Fist. So Ember Spirit can't do anything while Juggernaut have his Omnislash/Battlefury. Fire Remnants can dodge/avoid Omnislash just like Blinks or Teleportations. But I have no idea with Leap or Force Staff.

Anyway, I have a question to this Juggernaut and ES problem. If enemy's hero is omnislashed, for example AM. While AM blink out, and Juggernaut got Blink Dagger. While AM blink out as the same time juggernaut blink using his Blink dagger to where AM Blinked, what will happen? Anyone tried this once? Is the Omnislash will keep slashing AM or just cancel the Omnislash itself?

Yes, people have tried it.
Yes it works and omnislash continues.

really@_@ or troll , gotta to tried that out

[Angie]

oh ok i will get back on that gotta to tried that now:)

Originally posted by Slaaneshi:

Originally posted by Deadthsider:

really@_@ or troll , gotta to tried that out

It only works if the timing is perfect. If it detects that no valid targets are around, then it will stop immediately.

[Angie]

it work lol......i got new combo for my jug now:)

Originally posted by Slaaneshi:

Originally posted by Deadthsider:

oh ok i will get back on that gotta to tried that now:)

I wouldn't bother. Omnislash checks for targets in 425 range every 0.10 seconds before the next slash.
So unless you were anticipating the blink, then it'll fail most of the time.

[Angie]

i just know jug can use sb during blade fury and ulti

[Shrek]

Originally posted by Deadthsider:

i just know jug can use sb during blade fury and ulti

Don't forget the hilarious Omnislash, Tp scroll bail out.
*Gets 5 man ganked in late game*
*Ults and tp's"
*Watch from the base as they subconsciously spend dust and/or wards thinking hes still there*

[Angie]

Originally posted by Neutral Jungle Creep:

Originally posted by Deadthsider:

i just know jug can use sb during blade fury and ulti

Don't forget the hilarious Omnislash, Tp scroll bail out.
*Gets 5 man ganked in late game*
*Ults and tp's"
*Watch from the base as they subconsciously spend dust and/or wards thinking hes still there*

lol:)