Dota 2
Voice May 28, 2023 @ 6:49am
SMURFING - How to create a new account and play with a happy face?
SMURFING
A justified method of entertainment or why is a complaint made against this type?

I will not quote from previous years, when there were enough smurfs, but they did not show up so much in games. There was always one player from a different account per team pack.
Here the question is not asked that "What is smurfing for?", because I can guess what new accounts are created for, but rather:
  • - Most likely it is difficult to play on the rating that is available on the main account.
  • - Bored to play games or would not like to strain on the main account.
  • - For the sake of trolling low ranks.

So, what is the puzzle, or - Why did Valve make the complaint category "Smurfing or buying an account", if this method is not working? For a year or two, I filed a complaint about this type of new account and there were no notifications that this player was "Restricted".
It annoys me that with every game, there are players from the main accounts in my team and they are trying to somehow raise their own rank due to their skill in parallel with the rating. But when the enemy team has players with "Steam level 0" and 30-40 Dota levels and the game potentially looks like that ours can't outplay them in any way due to several factors, or rather "Control, tactics, replay, positions, cohesion, purchase “What is the honesty of such games? Why is the selection based on the hidden rating and mmr? Why do I have to play with opponents a cut above in rating and game skill? It's not even the point that "It kind of trains and tempers your game, and you seem to become better and smarter." I'm just, so to speak, in slang, "getting ♥♥♥♥♥ at the base." For the control of the game is predominantly on the side of the Smurfs. For me, every time the thought arises in my head that Dota 2 is not a competitive game. Dota 2 - Watching you get defeated by another smurf who knows everything about the game, and you have the opportunity to farm some creeps and get up AFK, because you can't do more in a game.

Originally posted by Blyati:
P.S. I could tell you more about the games, but I don’t know how many characters there are in the discussion (If there is such a thing, of course.), But I briefly described the “NUANCE” of the game and would like to somehow pour out the emotion of the game, because I'm already tired of explaining it somehow logically to myself without answers. I know that they recently deleted about 40k thousand, it seems, accounts for cheats and other software. But this does not solve the problem in principle of the game and the community as a whole. The same players can simply create a new account and play further. If Valve is trying in this way to show the work with the community and the fact that they are watching the development of everything and everything, then it looks funny. I understand that you should not be so critical of games and you need to develop your game skill and then there will be no problems. But at the same time, if we don't point out mistakes and don't try to somehow fix the "illness" of the game, we will continue to eat ♥♥♥♥ and endure all this ♥♥♥♥.
Thank you for your attention. Yours, Ours, Their Whiner.

Thanks also to
Google Translate
for providing the job of translating my whining.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Last edited by Voice; May 28, 2023 @ 6:54am
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There's no such thing as "smurfing" in Slavic world like Russia, Ukraine, Belarus. It's like beer is not alcohol for them. They do not see the issue you're talking about.
Voice May 28, 2023 @ 7:00am 
Originally posted by ( ͡ᵔ ͜ʖ ͡ᵔ ):
There's no such thing as "smurfing" in Slavic world like Russia, Ukraine, Belarus. It's like beer is not alcohol for them. They do not see the issue you're talking about.
Even if there is no problem for them, is this not a reason to turn a blind eye to it and reduce everything to the fact that this is a "Competition" and you need to endure it further?
Vision May 28, 2023 @ 8:37am 
I support OP. I was disgusted by a smurf who never pay attention to his team mates and even if Valve sentenced this behavior, they don t fix the issue. Imagine 100 m running with usain Bolt while u have still an honorable time with 13 or 14 seconds, u will be ashamed. That s why i ask to Valve to fix the issue in Elo Hell.

They know the problem but in fixing the game will lose in emulation/competitivity, all you have to watch is a youtube video explaining how smurfing, where hero never pay attention to your teammates and mainly farm creep in jungle with maelstorm and "flee" from lanes to lanes with travel boots. You will outlevel most of the players, then the snowball will be simple.

So fix this issue is simple :
1) Reduce experience and gold provided by camps
2) Adjust tokens probability in consequence like a secondary gift (camps interest)
3) Increase Cost gold of travel boots
4) Reduce Maelstorm power

I think personnally that global experience level per team is cleaner and less punishing, it could be also a good way to definetly avoid smurf which make this game toxic. Eventually it has to be tweaked a bit because i can t promote a game where 5 heroes can take advantage until they got their ultimate skill,

To unlock the ultimate, you could refer to your real experience, it wouldn t be a part of the global experience system. Dota 2 has to evolve, in some regards Dota 2 is better than HotS but the toxicity of the gamers inside is probably a no returning back for old players.
Last edited by Vision; May 28, 2023 @ 9:06am
Voice May 28, 2023 @ 9:17am 
Originally posted by Vision:
I support OP. I was disgusted by a smurf who never pay attention to his team mates and even if Valve sentenced this behavior, they don t fix the issue. Imagine 100 m running with usain Bolt while u have still an honorable time with 13 or 14 seconds, u will be ashamed. That s why i ask to Valve to fix the issue in Elo Hell.

They know the problem but in fixing the game will lose in emulation/competitivity, all you have to watch is a youtube video explaining how smurfing, where hero never pay attention to your teammates and mainly farm creep in jungle with maelstorm and "flee" from lanes to lanes with travel boots. You will outlevel most of the players, then the snowball will be simple.

So fix this issue is simple :
1) Reduce experience and gold provided by camps
2) Adjust tokens probability in consequence like a secondary gift (camps interest)
3) Increase Cost gold of travel boots
4) Reduce Maelstorm power

I think personnally that global experience level per team is cleaner and less punishing, it could be also a good way to definetly avoid smurf which make this game toxic. Eventually it has to be tweaked a bit because i can t promote a game where 5 heroes can take advantage until they got their ultimate skill,

To unlock the ultimate, you could refer to your real experience, it wouldn t be a part of the global experience system.

From the point of view of mechanics, it sounds reasonable, to some extent. Perhaps part of the technical moment - the game should be slightly modified in the essence of the form and accrual of benefits. But it seems to me that even in such a situation, there will be a "Nuance" that Smurfs will use and take a high advantage in the game.
Absche May 28, 2023 @ 1:44pm 
The game design literally asks for smurfing. And players love the game design.
Ysh May 29, 2023 @ 3:13am 
Smurf
Vision May 29, 2023 @ 3:59am 
Originally posted by Absche:
The game design literally asks for smurfing. And players love the game design.

10 years from now some players will be 50 and claiming "yeah smurfing is cool"... kappa
Smurfers aren t the best players at all, they play alone with the illusion of being a part of team and feel exceptionnal, better but the skill gap of MOBA is mainly dependant of your knowledge and details mechanics, which means anybody can smurf in following tutorials in some weeks...

smurf sucks,

The term "smurf" is defined to play under his own league but with the disrepectfull mentality it s more like "i m about to go get a bunch of noobs and mock at them", only by the need of proove their powerness, i should say their "impotency". it means that probably herald guardian crusader and archon league have approximately the same level because these leagues are rotten by smurfs
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Date Posted: May 28, 2023 @ 6:49am
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