this game really have a force 50/50

[Carmajedon]

why is that eversince i started to play dota again i go win 3 games in a row, but not a hard fight win no a stomp win after that i get into a 3 or 4 lose streak again all games stomps, and after that i start winning again and the cycle keeps repiting time and time again, and most of the time on the lose games when i check other people profiles on a carry player going 25/0 on enemy team with a feeder on my team that guy have iterally 1 game played on that account? does dota have a force 50% win lose rate or wtf is this

[supertuna]

this ♥♥♥♥ happens to all of us, admin team is a gather of ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ devs who force this ♥♥♥♥

[☠ ௹ ☠ ௹ ☠]

Originally posted by Carmajedon:

why is that eversince i started to play dota again i go win 3 games in a row, but not a hard fight win no a stomp win after that i get into a 3 or 4 lose streak again all games stomps, and after that i start winning again and the cycle keeps repiting time and time again, and most of the time on the lose games when i check other people profiles on a carry player going 25/0 on enemy team with a feeder on my team that guy have iterally 1 game played on that account? does dota have a force 50% win lose rate or wtf is this

Smurfs wouldn't climb if 50/50 existed. Obviously skill is involved or others wouldn't cry about smurfs stomping their games. You just don't have the necessary skill to win at a 60% win rate or higher. Not hard to understand.

[Carmajedon]

Originally posted by ☠ 6løød & 9øre ☠:

Originally posted by Carmajedon:

why is that eversince i started to play dota again i go win 3 games in a row, but not a hard fight win no a stomp win after that i get into a 3 or 4 lose streak again all games stomps, and after that i start winning again and the cycle keeps repiting time and time again, and most of the time on the lose games when i check other people profiles on a carry player going 25/0 on enemy team with a feeder on my team that guy have iterally 1 game played on that account? does dota have a force 50% win lose rate or wtf is this

Smurfs wouldn't climb if 50/50 existed. Obviously skill is involved or others wouldn't cry about smurfs stomping their games. You just don't have the necessary skill to win at a 60% win rate or higher. Not hard to understand.

alwyas the u have no skill get better guy when i have seen alot of talk about the force 50/50 but ok

[Си́нтез]

Originally posted by Wumbo:

it can be true or not at all

you are one of them!

[☠ ௹ ☠ ௹ ☠]

Originally posted by Carmajedon:

Originally posted by ☠ 6løød & 9øre ☠:

Smurfs wouldn't climb if 50/50 existed. Obviously skill is involved or others wouldn't cry about smurfs stomping their games. You just don't have the necessary skill to win at a 60% win rate or higher. Not hard to understand.

alwyas the u have no skill get better guy when i have seen alot of talk about the force 50/50 but ok

Crazy how the Immortal thinks it is a skill issue and the Crusader thinks it is a rigged matchmaker. Go figure.

[Bianco Angelo]

Aw ♥♥♥♥,here we go again.

[Ben Lubar]

I feel like the people who claim there's a forced 50% win rate like it's some kind of big conspiracy either don't understand how matchmaking systems like Elo and Glicko work, don't understand that all ten players in the match are real people, or both.

[Sentient Entropy]

Originally posted by Ben Lubar:

I feel like the people who claim there's a forced 50% win rate like it's some kind of big conspiracy either don't understand how matchmaking systems like Elo and Glicko work, don't understand that all ten players in the match are real people, or both.

Oh ho ho, there's more than just those two things that they don't understand.

[Carmajedon]

Originally posted by ☠ 6løød & 9øre ☠:

Originally posted by Carmajedon:

alwyas the u have no skill get better guy when i have seen alot of talk about the force 50/50 but ok

Crazy how the Immortal thinks it is a skill issue and the Crusader thinks it is a rigged matchmaker. Go figure.

crazy how a guy with no proof private profile steam can go say hes inmortal wow i can be a damn lol challenger or max rank in cs go if i say it on the forums bro zzz

[Artek [General]]

50/50 matchmaker theory is one of those things thats been around for as long as dota 2 was alive.

And yet, to this day, I haven't seen a single solid proof for it.
For all I know the 50% mm is just a form of natural selection. Once you reach a rank that you deserve (actually deserve, not think you should have) - the very nature of ranked mm will keep you afloat at the same place, thus naturally causing a 50% win rate.

You win some > you rank up > it gives you stronger opponents.
Stronger opponents beat you > you lose > you derank > it gives you weaker opponents.
And so the cycle begins a new.

Now I don't know if normal unranked mm works on the same basis as well or it's pure RNG, since latter would imply randomised results with some people out there hoarding all the wins. Yet that doesn't happen. Hm.

There is also a capitalistic argument to be made in favour of 50% system (if it was to exist).
Did you know that rats have very similar social structure to us?
It was observed that in rat playtime if a bigger, stronger rat does not let the smaller rat win at least 30% of the time - the small rat will stop playing with the big one. So big rats have an incentive to occasionally "feed" small rats just so that could play again later.

Assuming gamers work the same way - there is a strong argument to be made that 50% mm is a good business model, because if some of your gamers just can't win 30% of their games - they will eventually quit and that's a customer lost. So it's in valve's best interest that even the worst dota players out there get to win at least third of their matches.

Again: this is just my rationalisation why such a system would exist. Im still not convinced that it actually does.

[Tech.Noir]

Originally posted by ☠ 6løød & 9øre ☠:

Originally posted by Carmajedon:

why is that eversince i started to play dota again i go win 3 games in a row, but not a hard fight win no a stomp win after that i get into a 3 or 4 lose streak again all games stomps, and after that i start winning again and the cycle keeps repiting time and time again, and most of the time on the lose games when i check other people profiles on a carry player going 25/0 on enemy team with a feeder on my team that guy have iterally 1 game played on that account? does dota have a force 50% win lose rate or wtf is this

Smurfs wouldn't climb if 50/50 existed. Obviously skill is involved or others wouldn't cry about smurfs stomping their games. You just don't have the necessary skill to win at a 60% win rate or higher. Not hard to understand.

just take some 1-2% of people who actualy boost accounts for money and tryhard every game in mid and compare them to the average players, or even support players, genius bro, simply genius.

[YONGSINNER]

Originally posted by ☠ 6løød & 9øre ☠:

Originally posted by Carmajedon:

why is that eversince i started to play dota again i go win 3 games in a row, but not a hard fight win no a stomp win after that i get into a 3 or 4 lose streak again all games stomps, and after that i start winning again and the cycle keeps repiting time and time again, and most of the time on the lose games when i check other people profiles on a carry player going 25/0 on enemy team with a feeder on my team that guy have iterally 1 game played on that account? does dota have a force 50% win lose rate or wtf is this

Smurfs wouldn't climb if 50/50 existed. Obviously skill is involved or others wouldn't cry about smurfs stomping their games. You just don't have the necessary skill to win at a 60% win rate or higher. Not hard to understand.

1. Smurfs are climbing faster, because the system knows they're smurfing.
2. They're playing with a certain pool of heroes which is doesn't change for ages.

That means - if you don't wanna spam heroes you don't want - welcome to +100MMR per year club.

[King Kitty]

Look man reality is that the average player will settle into a 50% winrate, since you get matched with like-skilled players. You might not think that you're having stomps when you win, but chances are the other team sees it a different way when they lose.

[Tech.Noir]

in the lst 2 weeks i had 2 games that were not counted because of "suspicios score".
the game was so massivly missmatched, it didnt want to count it!
if a player reaches his "natural" 50% mark, there shouldnt be ANY stomps whatsoever

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Originally posted by YONGSINNER:

Originally posted by ☠ 6løød & 9øre ☠:

Smurfs wouldn't climb if 50/50 existed. Obviously skill is involved or others wouldn't cry about smurfs stomping their games. You just don't have the necessary skill to win at a 60% win rate or higher. Not hard to understand.

1. Smurfs are climbing faster, because the system knows they're smurfing.
2. They're playing with a certain pool of heroes which is doesn't change for ages.

That means - if you don't wanna spam heroes you don't want - welcome to +100MMR per year club.

1) The system wouldn't know they were smurfing if they weren't playing at a smurf level (which requires them to have skill)
2) Then if you want to climb, why don't you learn those heroes and gain some mmr so that you can play at a higher mmr with the heroes you want to play with?

Point 2 is really you saying that you know you could pick better heroes, but actively choose to not pick them. Sounds like a "you" problem and not a "matchmaker" problem. Instead of learning a meta hero and gaining mmr so you can practice against higher mmr players, you rather blame the matchmaker. Makes sense.

You realize there is a certain aspect of skill required to recognize a meta hero and another aspect that requires you to play the meta hero well? 2 different skills and neither you want to polish.