BKB having 50% magic resistance and doesn't deny spells is dumb. Needs to be fixed!!!

[AntDX316]

BKB having 50% magic resistance and doesn't deny spells is dumb because you target the hero with BKB on but the targetted spell does not cast but the cooldown still activates!!

[Tony Shor]

it casts. Deals damage, applies debuf.

[AntDX316]

it doesn't hex/shackle etc.

[Tony Shor]

Cause BKB gives debuff immunity. When you are under BKB -- you are debuff immune. It's applied to you, but as long as you are immune, it won't affect you. But the moment immunity is gone -- effect of applied debuff will work for remaining duration.
In human language it means: try to apply your debuffs right at the end of enemy BKBs. That's why you have to check their inventory to see if they have BKBs, and if so, what duration it is, so that you could kinda feel your way through it, apply your debuffs right at the end of the duration.

[Tony Shor]

If you cast, lets say, Witch Doctors stun, if you casted it right, by the time it will reach BKBed enemy, BKB will wear off, and Cask will stun him. If you did it too early -- it won't. But it will bounce off. In a situation when BKBed enemy is the closest one to you and others are unreachable, casting Casks on him, knowing it won't stun him, but it will stun others -- that's legit. The other situation: a PL who chases a BKBed enemy on low HP, you time your Lance right, cast it right at the end of BKB, and it reaches and kills your target.

BKB was too OP, the entire match was relying whether it's on CD or not. Too big of a role for a 4k item.

It got nerfed, and good riddance.

[AntDX316]

it was better when you couldn't even target a BKBed enemy

it gives the false illusion it actually does something when it does nothing for certain spells

it takes time to know it doesn't work

examples are scythe of vyse, shackles, hex, etc.

it's bad to know 1 doesn't work but using every single spell on the same hero.. I'm sure I'm not the only one in the world

[Linguistically Inept]

skill issue

[Tony Shor]

You will adjust. It's a good change.

[AntDX316]

I've adjusted but what about everyone else who thinks their spells do nothing as a newbie?

I have almost 9000 games played, over 13k hours of Dota 2.

[so confuse]

yep Skill issue.

[Linguistically Inept]

Originally posted by AntDX316:

I've adjusted but what about everyone else who thinks their spells do nothing as a newbie?

they see, they learn, they adapt too

bizarre; how did you first learn how old bkb worked? reading? situational observation? tutoring? whatever it was; that same method applies to current bkb

[ʍolɟ ǝɥʇ ǝsɹǝʌǝɹ]

It is still better to do your spells out of bkb, they lose the 50% bonus magic resistance.

What happens with something like shackles? does it onesidedly channel until bkb wears off?

Originally posted by Tony Shor:

If you cast, lets say, Witch Doctors stun, if you casted it right, by the time it will reach BKBed enemy, BKB will wear off, and Cask will stun him. If you did it too early -- it won't. But it will bounce off. In a situation when BKBed enemy is the closest one to you and others are unreachable, casting Casks on him, knowing it won't stun him, but it will stun others -- that's legit. The other situation: a PL who chases a BKBed enemy on low HP, you time your Lance right, cast it right at the end of BKB, and it reaches and kills your target.

BKB was too OP, the entire match was relying whether it's on CD or not. Too big of a role for a 4k item.

It got nerfed, and good riddance.

Good for skill shots and a new thing to work on but its bad because it won't be long until there is scripts to take advantage of this. things like deafening blast pushing opposite direction, glimpse cast whatever its delay is before bkb ends, theres so much room for abuse.

[AntDX316]

the idea is for it to be denied from being spellcasted before anything even happens like before

[Tony Shor]

Originally posted by ʍolɟ ǝɥʇ ǝsɹǝʌǝɹ:

It is still better to do your spells out of bkb, they lose the 50% bonus magic resistance.

What happens with something like shackles? does it onesidedly channel until bkb wears off?

It channels twosidedly, lol. You and the other object are shackled, stun (debuff) is applied to you. But you can move around and do stuff, as long as you have Immunity, the moment it wears off -- you will be stunned for the remaining duration of shackle debuff.

[Tony Shor]

Originally posted by AntDX316:

the idea is for it to be denied from being spellcasted before anything even happens like before

No, dude. I don't want to run away from the fight, because enemies bought a 4k item. I have a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ of magic damage, and if 50% gets blocked -- so be it, I'm gonna cast my ♥♥♥♥ to whatever I can to win a teamfight, I don't want to be completely powerless against someone who bought a 4k item.
Hope it's clear, and conversation is over.

[AntDX316]

your stun/hex does nothing, 50% damage block when it doesn't even break a WD ult?