IN YOUR FACE MMR DENIERS

[Amogus]

VALVE ITSELF ADMITS TO THE INESCAPABLE BLACK HOLE THAT IS HERALD MATCHMAKING

"Dota has traditionally used a modified version of the Elo algorithm to implement Rank and Rank Confidence changes. But over time we've noticed a few problems with our approach. For one example, the distribution of MMRs has gradually shifted lower, causing an undesired clumping in the 0-1000 MMR range. Another problem was that players who took a break and returned were having a hard time getting back to an accurate MMR, because their previous skill level was no longer representative."

https://www.dota2.com/newfrontiers?c=USD&l=english&partner=0#BalanceChanges

[Captain Plan it]

i mean its true the people who really belong in 1000 mmr are trash and well always lose you the game

[ixthid the desolate]

Originally posted by Sad Squash:

i mean its true the people who really belong in 1000 mmr are trash and well always lose you the game

true and top players got so good that low rank ♥♥♥♥♥ ended up feeling like theyre pushed further down, even if its just high rank players getting higher

[mortacci]

Originally posted by Sad Squash:

i mean its true the people who really belong in 1000 mmr are trash and well always lose you the game

that is not the problme since if you are in another rank you don't have to play with lower rank..., but in that range been pushed lot of player that just few years ago before all stars and ranked lv rework was in middle area like archon for exsample, but try to say it on forum, imediatly a bunch of supposed pro player start to say is all a fantasy and is just people are noob, now that is official that been like that for already long long time, they find another way to say that was not true.....lol

[Amogus]

Originally posted by Mortacci:

Originally posted by Sad Squash:

i mean its true the people who really belong in 1000 mmr are trash and well always lose you the game

but in that range been pushed lot of player that just few years ago before all stars and ranked lv rework was in middle area like archon for exsample

That is definitely the problem by far

I calibrated to guardian 2 on my first calibration ever, yet I was not worthy of that rank. What this means is that people who are actually guardian 2 get matched with people who are actually herald 1 who calibrate to guardian 2, which causes them to get undeserved losses and go down in MMR. This moves higher skilled players down and undoubtedly puts them at the mercy of the matchmaker to decide whether they win or lose.

In herald, there are people that barely understand how to play a simple hero like Lion/CM and there are people that can reliably play heros like Arc/Invoker with consistently decent performance. I think it's safe to assume that someone that can play heroes of that difficulty should at least be high herald/low-mid guardian, but they end up trapped in the black hole known as herald 1 because they have to win so many games in a row to be able to escape it that it's impossible.

[Ragnoraok]

People who denied this was the case were always delusional and had no idea what they were talking about. With that being said, they were in the minority and were never taken seriously.

However, it is good to finally have an admission by Valve that confirms 100% the 2 major complaints that people had with rank. Also, this is confirmation that in fact the majority of players are stuck in low ranks not because of "skill" but because of the inadequacies of the matchmaker. Again, this is common sense for anyone who isn't a shill.

I don't see the new matchmaking system fixing anything, because it is STILL built on non-skill parameters like behavior score. Also, the previous matchmaker was obviously rigged and intentionally matched players to achieve predetermined outcomes, and I don't see Valve changing that.

[Armed and Dangerous]

Originally posted by  Maximum Glove Gaming :

Originally posted by Mortacci:

but in that range been pushed lot of player that just few years ago before all stars and ranked lv rework was in middle area like archon for exsample

That is definitely the problem by far

I calibrated to guardian 2 on my first calibration ever, yet I was not worthy of that rank. What this means is that people who are actually guardian 2 get matched with people who are actually herald 1 who calibrate to guardian 2, which causes them to get undeserved losses and go down in MMR. This moves higher skilled players down and undoubtedly puts them at the mercy of the matchmaker to decide whether they win or lose.

In herald, there are people that barely understand how to play a simple hero like Lion/CM and there are people that can reliably play heros like Arc/Invoker with consistently decent performance. I think it's safe to assume that someone that can play heroes of that difficulty should at least be high herald/low-mid guardian, but they end up trapped in the black hole known as herald 1 because they have to win so many games in a row to be able to escape it that it's impossible.

This is ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥! undeserving people who end in my rank after the recalibration is bringing me down with them. How stupid is that? Before update i was Archon 4 but now i recalibrated in Legend 1. Yeah, kinda weak way to gain rank but still the gap from archon 4 to legend 1 is not that huge. I see alot people in my games who are Guardian and recalibrated as Legend and they always end up in my team. This need to be stopped.

[Ragnoraok]

Originally posted by Armed and Dangerous:

Originally posted by  Maximum Glove Gaming :

That is definitely the problem by far

I calibrated to guardian 2 on my first calibration ever, yet I was not worthy of that rank. What this means is that people who are actually guardian 2 get matched with people who are actually herald 1 who calibrate to guardian 2, which causes them to get undeserved losses and go down in MMR. This moves higher skilled players down and undoubtedly puts them at the mercy of the matchmaker to decide whether they win or lose.

In herald, there are people that barely understand how to play a simple hero like Lion/CM and there are people that can reliably play heros like Arc/Invoker with consistently decent performance. I think it's safe to assume that someone that can play heroes of that difficulty should at least be high herald/low-mid guardian, but they end up trapped in the black hole known as herald 1 because they have to win so many games in a row to be able to escape it that it's impossible.

This is ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥! undeserving people who end in my rank after the recalibration is bringing me down with them. How stupid is that? Before update i was Archon 4 but now i recalibrated in Legend 1. Yeah, kinda weak way to gain rank but still the gap from archon 4 to legend 1 is not that huge. I see alot people in my games who are Guardian and recalibrated as Legend and they always end up in my team. This need to be stopped.

My suggestion is to only play rank once every week; the purpose of this is to play the minimum to prevent rank decay. That way, even if you lose you won't lose that much rank. Then months from now everyone else who does not belong in that rank would have lost so much that they are no longer in your rank.

[ixthid the desolate]

Originally posted by Ragnoraok:

Also, this is confirmation that in fact the majority of players are stuck in low ranks not because of "skill" but because of the inadequacies of the matchmaker. Again, this is common sense for anyone who isn't a shill.

ppl in this forum always finding a reason to blame something else other than their own lack of skill for being low rank

[Ragnoraok]

Originally posted by Atthabann:

Originally posted by Ragnoraok:

Also, this is confirmation that in fact the majority of players are stuck in low ranks not because of "skill" but because of the inadequacies of the matchmaker. Again, this is common sense for anyone who isn't a shill.

ppl in this forum always finding a reason to blame something else other than their own lack of skill for being low rank

LOL, Valve literally admits that the matchmaking lead to getting stuck in low ranks and you still gaslight people into believing that it was their fault.

[ixthid the desolate]

Originally posted by Ragnoraok:

Originally posted by Atthabann:

ppl in this forum always finding a reason to blame something else other than their own lack of skill for being low rank

LOL, Valve literally admits that the matchmaking lead to getting stuck in low ranks and you still gaslight people into believing that it was their fault.

ppl are stuck low mmr cause theyre ♥♥♥♥

it is true that if you are good, you will climb out of ♥♥♥♥ rank

many people just happen to be bad at the game, not valves fault

[Zagryzaec]

Damn you are delusional.
Valve didn't admit nothing you trying to put it into its mouth.

They did a properly working mmr system that worked. Only people who are uneducatable were sticking in herald and seasonal tanking where absolute majority is around archon proves it.

Just because there are thousands of abandoned herald accounts from people thinking that new acc allow them to up their rank faster or at all doesn't mean actually people get stuck there.

For example no matter how much I was deranking while doing cavern crawl as soon as I started playing seriously I quickly got back to my legend level. Because I'm a legend level player.

You only get stick in herald if you are herald level. Or don't play ranked at all.

[Amogus]

Originally posted by Atthabann:

Originally posted by Ragnoraok:

Also, this is confirmation that in fact the majority of players are stuck in low ranks not because of "skill" but because of the inadequacies of the matchmaker. Again, this is common sense for anyone who isn't a shill.

ppl in this forum always finding a reason to blame something else other than their own lack of skill for being low rank

Explain to me how a rank 30 Arc Warden who went 28/4 and 26/0 with an ethereal/dagon/gleipnir is worthy of being a mid-high herald

This guy has a 63% win rate with Arc (598 matches), 80% win rate with DK (20 matches), 68% win rate with Drow (72 matches), 51% win rate as QoP (99 matches), and 68% win rate with Faceless (69 matches), so please explain to me how someone with such drastically high win rates (win rates above 50% means you should be climbing) is still a herald player?

The answer to the question is because he is a good core, but isn't as good at playing support. The majority of his support hero win rates are at or below 50%, while the majority of his core hero win rates are significantly above 50%, so the only thing keeping this person in herald is being stuck playing support which they are not good at. He also has high versatility, as a lot of his other core heroes have positive win rate, but aren't played very often and were left out of the list.

So yes, obviously a very skilled core player should be trapped in herald just because his support skills are sub par.

[Absche]

Dota2 is full of people that don't want to be where they are. Now everythings gets heated up and people settle down at some other place where, after a few weeks they will complain about that they are trapped again where they don't want to be.

[Ragnoraok]

Originally posted by Absche:

Dota2 is full of people that don't want to be where they are. Now everythings gets heated up and people settle down at some other place where, after a few weeks they will complain about that they are trapped again where they don't want to be.

Not really. Almost all of the complaints are about the mm essentially putting anyone against anyone regardless of rankings. Most of these complaints come from long-time players who were once content with their ranking, but are now forced to play against lower MMR players who have been boosted.

The ironic part is that these are the same people who expect low rank players to solo carry all of their games, yet now that they are forced to deal with a few of these low-ranked greifers, they demand that the mm change. These people are hypocrites, but then again I expect nothing else from this fanbase.

At this point, Valve might as well make matchmaking completely random because it is clear that they have 0 idea how to design a fair mm system.

[76561198934242121]

Originally posted by  Maximum Glove Gaming :

Originally posted by Mortacci:

but in that range been pushed lot of player that just few years ago before all stars and ranked lv rework was in middle area like archon for exsample

That is definitely the problem by far

I calibrated to guardian 2 on my first calibration ever, yet I was not worthy of that rank. What this means is that people who are actually guardian 2 get matched with people who are actually herald 1 who calibrate to guardian 2, which causes them to get undeserved losses and go down in MMR. This moves higher skilled players down and undoubtedly puts them at the mercy of the matchmaker to decide whether they win or lose.

In herald, there are people that barely understand how to play a simple hero like Lion/CM and there are people that can reliably play heros like Arc/Invoker with consistently decent performance. I think it's safe to assume that someone that can play heroes of that difficulty should at least be high herald/low-mid guardian, but they end up trapped in the black hole known as herald 1 because they have to win so many games in a row to be able to escape it that it's impossible.

Add me if you want to derank back to herald