Bristleback Spell Lifesteal?????

[Shibubs]

Bristleback with Bloodstone benefits off from his quills when he has bloodstone when the actual type of the spell is PHYSICAL?????

Is this a bug or not intended feature?
He's using a physical spell with a bloodstone.
I understand lesherac but Bloodstone???

Wouldn't that categorize as a physical attack since its type is literally "Physical" on the quill spikes?

He shouldn't be able to benefit from bloodstone whatsoever....

[Mode: Ghoul]

Spell amp and spell lifesteal affect all spells even if their damage type is physical, intended interaction and it's fine.

[El'-]

its called spell lifesteal, not physical lifesteal you ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥

[Grimmz]

you thought physical isn't a spell?

[Red Field]

Its spell lifesteal, not magic lifesteal.
Wonder if PA's Q is affected by Bloodstone though... not sure if the game mechanics are consistent.

[Joshua Kurayami]

Originally posted by Red Field:

Its spell lifesteal, not magic lifesteal.
Wonder if PA's Q is affected by Bloodstone though... not sure if the game mechanics are consistent.

It doesn't, but it works with regular lifesteal from morbid mask, satanic, etc.

[Red Field]

Originally posted by Joshua Kurayami:

Originally posted by Red Field:

Its spell lifesteal, not magic lifesteal.
Wonder if PA's Q is affected by Bloodstone though... not sure if the game mechanics are consistent.

It doesn't, but it works with regular lifesteal from morbid mask, satanic, etc.

welp this means the games mechanics really aren't consistent.

[Nico]

Originally posted by Red Field:

Originally posted by Joshua Kurayami:

It doesn't, but it works with regular lifesteal from morbid mask, satanic, etc.

welp this means the games mechanics really aren't consistent.

Tons of mechanics aren't "consistent" it's part of why the game so has many complex interactions. Everytime they update the game to make it more "consistent" it just ruins it.

[ʍolɟ ǝɥʇ ǝsɹǝʌǝɹ]

Originally posted by Red Field:

Its spell lifesteal, not magic lifesteal.
Wonder if PA's Q is affected by Bloodstone though... not sure if the game mechanics are consistent.

It's an instant attack so it might be different

[Red Field]

Dota 2 could take some inspiration from MLBB, Mobile Legends BB has 3 different types of lifesteal:
Physical Lifesteal: It only heals you based on the physical damage done by your basic attacks, ignores non-critical attack effects such as extra damage instances from certain items and passives. Magic damage from basic attacks also does not count.

Spell Vamp: It heals you based on the damage done by physical spells. Lots of heroes in MLBB have physical damage skills similar to PA's Q. Spell vamp allows them to sustain without needing high attack speed basic attacks. Spell vamp doesn't affect basic attacks or magic damage from spells.

Magic Lifesteal: It heals you from all magic damage that you deal, including from basic attacks and spells. A few heroes deal magic damage on their basic attacks by default. Certain items also add magic damage to basic attacks, all these are affected by magic lifesteal, so also are all other sources of magic damage like spells and special items.

There's also a single hero with a unique Shield-steal mechanic where she converts the enemy's hp into a shield which she then absorbs into her own shield and converts the shield into her own HP to heal herself.

[Sentient Entropy]

Originally posted by Red Field:

Originally posted by Joshua Kurayami:

It doesn't, but it works with regular lifesteal from morbid mask, satanic, etc.

welp this means the games mechanics really aren't consistent.

Phantom Assassin's spell is consistent, if you read the text it specifically states that the power behaves as a physical attack, made at range. True, there's a special unique mechanic for that power, but it specifically says it's a physical attack for the purposes of determining what works and what doesn't.

[Red Field]

Originally posted by Sentient Entropy:

Originally posted by Red Field:

welp this means the games mechanics really aren't consistent.

Phantom Assassin's spell is consistent, if you read the text it specifically states that the power behaves as a physical attack, made at range. True, there's a special unique mechanic for that power, but it specifically says it's a physical attack for the purposes of determining what works and what doesn't.

Ok, but why doesn't it work with Bloodstone?

[Sentient Entropy]

Originally posted by Red Field:

Originally posted by Sentient Entropy:

Phantom Assassin's spell is consistent, if you read the text it specifically states that the power behaves as a physical attack, made at range. True, there's a special unique mechanic for that power, but it specifically says it's a physical attack for the purposes of determining what works and what doesn't.

Ok, but why doesn't it work with Bloodstone?

What other physical attack ("right-click") works with bloodstone?

Originally posted by Sentient Entropy:

but it specifically says it's a physical attack for the purposes of determining what works and what doesn't.

[Red Field]

Originally posted by Sentient Entropy:

Originally posted by Red Field:

Ok, but why doesn't it work with Bloodstone?

What other physical attack ("right-click") works with bloodstone?

Originally posted by Sentient Entropy:

but it specifically says it's a physical attack for the purposes of determining what works and what doesn't.

Ah ok you meant it works as a physical basic attack, got confused for a sec(i play MLBB a lot, lost of skills are physical and refered to as physical attack/attack damage). BB's quill would be a physical attack but not a basic attack. Fair enough then.

[Sentient Entropy]

Originally posted by Red Field:

Originally posted by Sentient Entropy:

What other physical attack ("right-click") works with bloodstone?

Ah ok you meant it works as a physical basic attack, got confused for a sec(i play MLBB a lot, lost of skills are physical and refered to as physical attack/attack damage). BB's quill would be a physical attack but not a basic attack. Fair enough then.

Quills are a spell. Glimpse is a spell. Chronosphere is a spell. Stifling Dagger is a spell, but it's the only ranged spell in the game that counts as a physical attack. Not a spell with physical as its damage type, but a physical attack.

I don't give a ♥♥♥♥ what some junk mobile game does.

[Dark Sun Gwyndolin]

Originally posted by Red Field:

Originally posted by Sentient Entropy:

What other physical attack ("right-click") works with bloodstone?

Ah ok you meant it works as a physical basic attack, got confused for a sec(i play MLBB a lot, lost of skills are physical and refered to as physical attack/attack damage). BB's quill would be a physical attack but not a basic attack. Fair enough then.

In essence, most active abilities in Dota are 'Spells', regardless of whether they're Magical, Physical, or Pure. Damage type affects what defences (armour, magic resistance, etc.) work against it.

Stuff like PA's Stifling Dagger or Mars' Gods' Rebuke are what are called 'instant attacks'; spells that are considered autoattacks for the purpose of effects. This is not the same as stuff like Outworld Devourer's Astral Orb or Dark Willow's Shadow Realm, which are magic damage added to a normal autoattack.