Medusa, Zeus manta abuse

[Dalai Lama]

Dunno if it's a bug or intentional.

[Amogus]

it's not abuse

zeus shard ability gives passive auto attack effect, so manta is now a good item on zeus

apparently zeus is now am/pl because he can shred with illusions

now the back line magic nuker is an illusion auto attacker

[Alpha Omega Pepega]

Zeus right click is a meme. Zeus himself has a 43% winrate. But zeus right click has even less.

[Amogus]

Originally posted by Alpha Omega Pepega:

Zeus right click is a meme. Zeus himself has a 43% winrate. But zeus right click has even less.

It's a good safe pushing option if nothing else

It is still a very stupid choice to give a hero who is a back line nuker an ability that requires being in auto attack range to use it

[ʍolɟ ǝɥʇ ǝsɹǝʌǝɹ]

You never played against a naga that attack moves illusions down a lane?

[Amogus]

Originally posted by ʍolɟ ǝɥʇ ǝsɹǝʌǝɹ:

You never played against a naga that attack moves illusions down a lane?

The thing is that is her intended play style since two of her abilities literally revolve around auto attacking with a lot of illusions

In contrast, Zeus is supposed to be a back line magic nuker as seen by every single one of his abilities being for doing so, with heavenly jump being an escape ability to get that distance back.

Throwing a random shard ability that goes against every other ability he has in his ability set is idiotic and should be changed. It's the same deal as if they were to give Rubick an ability that made his auto attacks cast single target fade bolts.

[Alpha Omega Pepega]

Originally posted by  Maximum Glove Gaming :

Originally posted by ʍolɟ ǝɥʇ ǝsɹǝʌǝɹ:

You never played against a naga that attack moves illusions down a lane?

The thing is that is her intended play style since two of her abilities literally revolve around auto attacking with a lot of illusions

In contrast, Zeus is supposed to be a back line magic nuker as seen by every single one of his abilities being for doing so, with heavenly jump being an escape ability to get that distance back.

Throwing a random shard ability that goes against every other ability he has in his ability set is idiotic and should be changed. It's the same deal as if they were to give Rubick an ability that made his auto attacks cast single target fade bolts.

i mean.that would be usefull since it reducing attack damage.I dont think its that bad,it exploring new ways of playing a hero,the hero is just bad rn.

[Amogus]

Originally posted by Alpha Omega Pepega:

Originally posted by  Maximum Glove Gaming :

The thing is that is her intended play style since two of her abilities literally revolve around auto attacking with a lot of illusions

In contrast, Zeus is supposed to be a back line magic nuker as seen by every single one of his abilities being for doing so, with heavenly jump being an escape ability to get that distance back.

Throwing a random shard ability that goes against every other ability he has in his ability set is idiotic and should be changed. It's the same deal as if they were to give Rubick an ability that made his auto attacks cast single target fade bolts.

i mean.that would be usefull since it reducing attack damage.I dont think its that bad,it exploring new ways of playing a hero,the hero is just bad rn.

The point is that it gives a hero an ability that goes against their entire play style

Rubick fade bolt spam wouldn't be the worst thing in the world, but the fact that it would require auto attacks means that items like manta would become viable choices for him if it could proc with illusion attacks

If it only procs with Rubick's attacks, it still wouldn't be worth it because Rubick's entire kit revolves around increasing cast range, which means that having to get closer while keeping distance for spells would be counter intuitive. It would be far more viable to buy a phylactery (new item that adds 150 damage to targeted spells every 6 seconds) instead of a gimmick shard that would be far less worth it than the cost.

[ʍolɟ ǝɥʇ ǝsɹǝʌǝɹ]

Originally posted by  Maximum Glove Gaming :

Originally posted by Alpha Omega Pepega:

i mean.that would be usefull since it reducing attack damage.I dont think its that bad,it exploring new ways of playing a hero,the hero is just bad rn.

The point is that it gives a hero an ability that goes against their entire play style

Rubick fade bolt spam wouldn't be the worst thing in the world, but the fact that it would require auto attacks means that items like manta would become viable choices for him if it could proc with illusion attacks

If it only procs with Rubick's attacks, it still wouldn't be worth it because Rubick's entire kit revolves around increasing cast range, which means that having to get closer while keeping distance for spells would be counter intuitive. It would be far more viable to buy a phylactery (new item that adds 150 damage to targeted spells every 6 seconds) instead of a gimmick shard that would be far less worth it than the cost.

does rubick get sparkle fingers on Q steal with shard?

[Amogus]

Originally posted by ʍolɟ ǝɥʇ ǝsɹǝʌǝɹ:

Originally posted by  Maximum Glove Gaming :

The point is that it gives a hero an ability that goes against their entire play style

Rubick fade bolt spam wouldn't be the worst thing in the world, but the fact that it would require auto attacks means that items like manta would become viable choices for him if it could proc with illusion attacks

If it only procs with Rubick's attacks, it still wouldn't be worth it because Rubick's entire kit revolves around increasing cast range, which means that having to get closer while keeping distance for spells would be counter intuitive. It would be far more viable to buy a phylactery (new item that adds 150 damage to targeted spells every 6 seconds) instead of a gimmick shard that would be far less worth it than the cost.

does rubick get sparkle fingers on Q steal with shard?

I just tested it and it doesn't

When Zeus buys his shard, he gets a passive ability called "lightning hands" that he can toggle on/off that triggers the effect. As such, Rubick can't steal it because it's a passive.

[ʍolɟ ǝɥʇ ǝsɹǝʌǝɹ]

Originally posted by  Maximum Glove Gaming :

Originally posted by ʍolɟ ǝɥʇ ǝsɹǝʌǝɹ:

does rubick get sparkle fingers on Q steal with shard?

I just tested it and it doesn't

When Zeus buys his shard, he gets a passive ability called "lightning hands" that he can toggle on/off that triggers the effect. As such, Rubick can't steal it because it's a passive.

Thats disappointing it doesn't come with the shard considering its still dependent on the Q being skilled.

[Amogus]

Originally posted by ʍolɟ ǝɥʇ ǝsɹǝʌǝɹ:

Originally posted by  Maximum Glove Gaming :

I just tested it and it doesn't

When Zeus buys his shard, he gets a passive ability called "lightning hands" that he can toggle on/off that triggers the effect. As such, Rubick can't steal it because it's a passive.

Thats disappointing it doesn't come with the shard considering its still dependent on the Q being skilled.

That is true, but I suppose it makes sense since it technically relies on 2 abilities to work and you can only steal 1 as Rubick.

As an added note, I just noticed that they made static field a built-in part of arc lighting which is what is doing so much damage. It's no wonder that even 2 illusions dealing 20% damage can still shred when they are taking away 6% of your current health every time they hit you with it.

That 43% win rate stats from above is probably due to him being spammed at lower brackets. I've only gone up against a Zeus in 1 match, but that was the 1 match where he was annoying as hell with his manta/shard combo. However, that's the exact kind of build that would work tremendously well at herald bracket because people are very clueless down there.

[ixthid the desolate]

Originally posted by  Maximum Glove Gaming :

Originally posted by ʍolɟ ǝɥʇ ǝsɹǝʌǝɹ:

Thats disappointing it doesn't come with the shard considering its still dependent on the Q being skilled.

That is true, but I suppose it makes sense since it technically relies on 2 abilities to work and you can only steal 1 as Rubick.

As an added note, I just noticed that they made static field a built-in part of arc lighting which is what is doing so much damage. It's no wonder that even 2 illusions dealing 20% damage can still shred when they are taking away 6% of your current health every time they hit you with it.

buy lotus, it will reflect the arc lightnings and kill zeu's team instead

[Deepbluediver]

Originally posted by  Maximum Glove Gaming :

it's not abuse

zeus shard ability gives passive auto attack effect, so manta is now a good item on zeus

apparently zeus is now am/pl because he can shred with illusions

now the back line magic nuker is an illusion auto attacker

It's probably one of those things that's going to be annoying in PUBs for a while but will never show up in a professional match, and then Valve will tweak something else about the hero or the meta will learn how to counter it or whatever, and everyone will just move on and forget it ever happened.

[Dalai Lama]

Originally posted by ʍolɟ ǝɥʇ ǝsɹǝʌǝɹ:

You never played against a naga that attack moves illusions down a lane?

your correct about naga my brain is kinda foggy I just got cough of guard by the fact that zeus can use a spell with his manta and same about medusa because I just felt it so hard to kill her illusion with rightclicks. She probably has the tankiest illusions now.

[Amogus]

Originally posted by Atthabann:

Originally posted by  Maximum Glove Gaming :

That is true, but I suppose it makes sense since it technically relies on 2 abilities to work and you can only steal 1 as Rubick.

As an added note, I just noticed that they made static field a built-in part of arc lighting which is what is doing so much damage. It's no wonder that even 2 illusions dealing 20% damage can still shred when they are taking away 6% of your current health every time they hit you with it.

buy lotus, it will reflect the arc lightnings and kill zeu's team instead

Maybe so, but 6 seconds of reflect against an ability that has no cooldown means that you're wide open after those 6 seconds.

Not only that, but I'd imagine you'd be using your lotus on much more worthwhile spells. That's not to say the lightning spam isn't annoying, but I can't see there being a match where that's the biggest threat to block with lotus

Originally posted by Deepbluediver:

Originally posted by  Maximum Glove Gaming :

it's not abuse

zeus shard ability gives passive auto attack effect, so manta is now a good item on zeus

apparently zeus is now am/pl because he can shred with illusions

now the back line magic nuker is an illusion auto attacker

It's probably one of those things that's going to be annoying in PUBs for a while but will never show up in a professional match, and then Valve will tweak something else about the hero or the meta will learn how to counter it or whatever, and everyone will just move on and forget it ever happened.

No doubt

I'm not bothered by the mixing up so much as I am that it is only one single aspect of the hero that was changed while the rest remained the same. We have a hero that plays best nuking from the back line getting a passive that gives him auto attack power which makes absolutely no sense to me.