I have a curse of 3.1k MMR need help?

[Ilse Schattenwolf]

seen ive played dota2 last Dec2013 up to now present i never hit the higher mark to improve my MMR,is this a CURSE

[Hagakure]

Początkowo opublikowane przez RB Oneironaut:

Początkowo opublikowane przez Hagakure:

You really believe the nonsense you just wrote?

Please make me laugh by explaining to me how you think MMR works and what it means. :)

Why with carrots. It fuels on the idiocy of eastern eu / Russians / fórum jockeys and makes them think they are something special.

Also the more money you give volvo the better you mmr will be... Especially if you put tags on your nickgayname.

[Dark Bison]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Blaise:

seen ive played dota2 last Dec2013 up to now present i never hit the higher mark to improve my MMR,is this a CURSE

My suggestion is to play less carry and more support, 3.1 range is where the 2k players are freshly coming in from the noob train so everyone will pick like idiots most the time. It would be best to master a support that can keep your noob teammates alive and spam them until you are out of the lower 3k mmr range and then proceed to play the game as accordingly.

RB has very valid points as well, but a lot of them do not even come close to applying in 2k-3.1k mmr, no matter how well you play in these ranks your team can bring you down hard if they are playing heroes they are not accustomed to or just have really bad picks. I can say it happens a lot in the lower 3k range. Which is why I say pick more support, cause chances are everyone wants to pick carries.

Can't tell you the amount of times I have had games where I'm the only support and I have a team of four mid hero picking idiots, or have had games where some moron randoms last pick or picks something extremely stupid for our team comp.

Again RB has very valid points, and he is right for the most part, but in low ranking mmr it is impossible to consistently apply those skills if the teams aren't always the brightest apples in the tool shed.

[''Treasure chest of 20 reports'']

Początkowo opublikowane przez j-meikle:

Would I be right in thinking that you presume if some player like Miracle played 100 games, starting at 500 MMR after it he would still be 500 MMR with a 50% win rate.

Get a grip.

I'm not saying that. But if he was in a situation like that and he played his best every game, how long do you think he would maintain 100% win rate? Until he gets to 5k? I would be willing to bet he would lose his first game after 20 or 30 games played. That would mean Miracle lost against 1k mmr players. Do you think that makes sense?

[Wutproppen]

Początkowo opublikowane przez ''Treasure chest of 20 reports'':

My point is that my win rate this month is 60%. Because of that, I end up playing games like this: http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2285532286
where I'm matched with people who have 39.07% winrate and chose to play mid. That is my point. I dont get matched with better people i get matched with worst. It is not just this game, it is really easy to see this trend as you mmr suddenly starts to rise. Your team mates become worse and worse.
You will feel this soon, when you start losing 7 games in a row no matter what you do.

There is always some randomness factor involved. It's impossible to create a match where each team has exactly the same win chance. Not to mention all the other factors involved. Maybe one guy is normally a good player but currently he is in a bad mood because his relationship went down the drain and thus he is depressed and plays worse. You don't know that. You know nothing about your team or the enemy team.
There are a lot of random factors involved, but the more matches you play the less impactful that randomness becomes.

Sometimes you have a win streak, sometimes you have a loss streak. That is normal and how things are.

It's absolutely ridiculous when some people say "I won a lot of matches in a row and now Valve paired me on purpose with a stronger team". That person was then just lucky to have powerful teammates and weak enemies, and then that luck ran out. That's how randomness works.

Stop blaming the matchmaker, start working on the mistakes you make and improve yourself.

[TUPUCK]

Początkowo opublikowane przez RB Oneironaut:

Początkowo opublikowane przez RootCookie:

The difference between 2.5 and 2.6 is very noticable.
I cant imagine what its like <2k

End of the day you cant snowball up but you can snowball down.
When you reach a certain point theres nothing you can do, its all down to your team mates and hero selection. I dont buy this you belong there argument.

Clearly there are some people who get stuck in the trap.

That each player has a certain MMR he belongs to is not a matter of opinion. It's how the system works.

Look:
MMR is a scale, a measurement of skill. It depends on the following:
- the time you spent practicing
- your reflexes
- your determination
- your ability to think strategically
- your ability to split up your attention on multiple things
- invest time into the theoretical stuff
- and so on and so on,lots of other points


<1K MMR = you have no idea whatsoever you are doing
1K MMR = you are bad but sometimes click on the right things or buy the right items
2K MMR = you are a bad player, you know roughly what you are supposed to be doing but you are lacking in a lot of areas I mentioned above
3K MMR = you are an average player, you know what you are doing but lack the reflexes or can't focus or are not up to date on the game or whatever
4K MMR = you understood the game, spent time into it and are all in all a good player
5K MMR = you excel in the game
>= 6K MMR = you spend lots of time playing the game and excel in everything and more I mentioned above

Some players are bad. They do not belong in the 6K MMR bracket. They might lack the basic understanding, reflexes, theoretical knowledge, practice, some of that, all of that, it doesn't matter. They are bad players, They have no place in 6K MMR. They'd get crushed by 6K MMR players. They will never be 6K MMR.

Same as that, some players belong to 3K MMR, 4K MMR and so on.

MMR is not something you accumulate by repeating the same mistakes over and over. It increases if you are better than the game thinks, and decreases if you are worse.
You can play as many matches as you want, but if your reflexes are horrible, you have no theoretical knowledge of the game, no strategical understanding and so on, you will never ever be a 6k player. Because you are not good enough.

You found your MMR home if you have a roughly 50% win chance. Then you are at a bracket where you have allies and enemies of your skill level. That is where you belong. You might become a worse player in future, if you stop practicing or your reflexes become worse or you are not up to date on the games changes. Then you will not belong to that MMR bracket anymore, but to a lower one, so you will lose matches. Or maybe you invest more time into training and become better at the game, then you will win more matches and your MMR will increase until you are again at a roughly 50% win chance.

There is no trap. There is no trench. Those are excuses by bad players.
The game attempts to put players of equal skill level together as teams and enemies. If you say that you are better and deserve a higher MMR, then you will win more games, as you are better than your MMR suggests.
If you claim that you only lose because of your teammates, then you are either lying, or you are so bad at the game, that you are not capable of identifying the mistakes you make. In which case you do not deserve a high MMR. A high MMR means that you are capable of identifying your mistakes and fix them, improve your gameplay. If you are only looking for scapegoats you will not improve, you are a crappy player.

Yes, sometimes you will lose because of bad teammates. But yes, sometimes you win because the enemy has bad players, or because your team has exceptionally good players. Claiming that you keep losing all the time because of other people is absolutely ridiculous, and that state of mind will ensure that you will never ever become a decent player.

You're over emphasizing on an individual in a team-based game. Perhaps you wanna look into my recent thread?

[Wutproppen]

Początkowo opublikowane przez The Ultra Creep:

You're over emphasizing on an individual in a team-based game. Perhaps you wanna look into my recent thread?

How can you over-emphasize the individual when it's about that individuals MMR?

Your solo MMR depends in the long run solely on your personal performance. The more matches you play the less important any random factors become.

[''Treasure chest of 20 reports'']

Początkowo opublikowane przez RB Oneironaut:

Początkowo opublikowane przez The Ultra Creep:

You're over emphasizing on an individual in a team-based game. Perhaps you wanna look into my recent thread?

Your solo MMR depends in the long run solely on your personal performance. The more matches you play the less important any random factors become.

But for some reason, my games don't count since i learned nothing and made no progress :D

[TUPUCK]

Początkowo opublikowane przez RB Oneironaut:

Początkowo opublikowane przez The Ultra Creep:

You're over emphasizing on an individual in a team-based game. Perhaps you wanna look into my recent thread?

Your solo MMR depends in the long run solely on your personal performance. The more matches you play the less important any random factors become.

Since you like to give comprehensive opinion on the game I'd value your input.

(back to the discussion)
That is a good point, yet there is still not much you can achieve. Most cases your competency doesn't compensate with a poorly executing (high feeding) player/s but you thrive when the equilibrium of both sides are even in terms of performance, where an individual can stand out.

As of now I'm standing in between 3.3-3.4k, my god, you should see these players bruh! Cringeful cencerous matchups but I'll get out eventually, been crawling up since 2850mmr

[astral.]

How do u get MMR??

[TUPUCK]

Początkowo opublikowane przez HeXerei:

How do u get MMR??

You simply play a series of 10 games + ranked games to attain your MMR standings but it requires you to be lvl 50 or more

[__NEAR_!!]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Hagakure:

Początkowo opublikowane przez RB Oneironaut:

Please make me laugh by explaining to me how you think MMR works and what it means. :)

Why with carrots. It fuels on the idiocy of eastern eu / Russians / fórum jockeys and makes them think they are something special.

Also the more money you give volvo the better you mmr will be... Especially if you put tags on your nickgayname.

I got 4k and the only money i ever put in this account its 10 dollars to buy re6

[ThunderWarrior]

I cry when I see my 1k :c

[Drune]

The problem with MMR is it has nothing to do with your skill, it has to do with whether you win or lose. If you get a bad team, you lose, you get a lower mmr, and you get more bad teams. It does not matter how good you are if 3 people on your team have no idea how to play correctly.

[__NEAR_!!]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Drune:

The problem with MMR is it has nothing to do with your skill, it has to do with whether you win or lose. If you get a bad team, you lose, you get a lower mmr, and you get more bad teams. It does not matter how good you are if 3 people on your team have no idea how to play correctly.

No, just put a 2k team vs a 4k team and you will see how 2k team stands no chance. Mmr is related directly with skill.

[Wutproppen]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Drune:

The problem with MMR is it has nothing to do with your skill, it has to do with whether you win or lose. If you get a bad team, you lose, you get a lower mmr, and you get more bad teams. It does not matter how good you are if 3 people on your team have no idea how to play correctly.

If you'd have thought that argument of yours through you'd realize that it makes no sense.