Butterfly

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They should add Dragon Lance or Yasha to the original Butterfly and make it into a 7k gold item. Just like Bloodthorn. That would be more interesting. In that case, we can first pick up a Yasha or Dragon Lance instead of the boring and expensive Eagle Song and Talisman, and then build up to Butterfly in late game.

I think the reason why Butterfly is so underrated and not being bought a lot compared to Manta Style and Sange and Yasha, is because of it's sub items. Eagle Song's 25 agility is too little and lame for a 3k item. Talisman is good but it only gives Evasion, kind of boring. But for Manta and SNY, they have a Yasha in it. That's what makes everybody buys it. That item is too effective and interesting. Even the ultimate orb in the Manta is much cheaper and more useful than those two.

And they should make two types of Butterfly: One is with Dragon Lance, another with Yasha. So players can have a choice to build Dragon Lance for ranged heroes and Yasha for melee heroes.

[The_Technomancer]

Originally posted by Tuna:

They should add Dragon Lance or Yasha to the original Butterfly and make it into a 7k gold item.

If you're worried about people not buying the item why are you making it more expensive?

Originally posted by Tuna:

Eagle Song's 25 agility is too little and lame for a 3k item.

No one buys eagle song strictly for eagle song. The items it builds into are the highest agility granting items in the game. Plus I've often seen it bought last on the list so when they have the gold people can just roll into the upgrades.

Originally posted by Tuna:

Talisman is good but it only gives Evasion, kind of boring.

Remember, that's a chance for a possibly fed carry not to damage you.

Originally posted by Tuna:

But for Manta and SNY, they have a Yasha in it. That's what makes everybody buys it.

Yasha is a cheap mid game item that builds into late game items. If the same could be done for butterfly it would be way to good. 65 damage (for an agility hero) AND attack speed with some evasion should not be easy to obtain.

Originally posted by Tuna:

That item is too effective and interesting. Even the ultimate orb in the Manta is much cheaper and more useful than those two.

Manta is in a good place by bringing a purge, confusion to the enemies, and some ok damage increase from the illusions but it is rather situational since a handful of heroes can work with the illusions effectively. Butterfly brings a very high damage boost and evasion to your typical carry while manta expects you to have some qwirks to your hero to be able to use it effectively.

Originally posted by Tuna:

And they should make two types of Butterfly: One is with Dragon Lance, another with Yasha. So players can have a choice to build Dragon Lance for ranged heroes and Yasha for melee heroes

Most heroes who pick up a yasha would prefer the illusions from manta or the slow from S&Y much more than just having more damage. Butterfly already increases effective HP with it's 35% evasion, it doesn't need to also give HP from dragon lance on top of it's effective HP increase.

It's true the item isn't bought as much because it's so difficult to build and expensive but changing that would also require lowering it's effectiveness. It brings a very large damage boost to an agi carry as well as improving their effectiveness against an enemy carry in most situations. If the item was made for so for mid game like you'd prefer it also wouldn't be as effective since magic damage typically reigns at that time from nukers like tinker, invoker, and meepo. The evasion wouldn't be nearly as effective since carries would mostly still be farming, and a range increase or movement speed increase instead would help but only by a bit. Plus most heroes who alreay buy a yasha for it's other uses would need to buy 2 or which wouldn't stack the movment speed making 1/3rd of a 2k item useless. Dragon lance could use more attention though.