Why isnt rushing enfeeble on bane more common?

[The Coal Man]

I play bane fairly often and I always go leach first just for the nuke and heal, but why doesnt anyone rush enfeeble? Its a fairly short cooldown and the manacost isnt unmanageable, I would think against many of the spammed heroes it would be a very strong way to block both farming and ganks, so why isnt it done?

[The Coal Man]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Jason Wang Dang:

What lanes are you going to use your Q skill on?

Safelane - enemy offlane doesn't care about your Q, sapping exp is more important than last hits as a offlaner. They can also rotate to secret shop camp with talon to farm instead.

Mid - Useless, your going to be sharing exp with your mid laner and mid usually spam spells to last hit anyways because they have access to rune to refill bottles.

Offlane - You will get harrass/zone out by enemy support, meaning you won't even have a chance to use your Q on enemy safelane carry.

Which means it's much better to skill brain sap and nightmare. Nightmare can secure a free kill, brain sap is pure damage and good for trading hits and sapping back HP.

you made some pretty big leaps there and id have to disagree with pretty much all of it. Enemy solo offlane is the only one where id call it pointless, otherwise its got a use.
Bane rushing enfeeble mid would likely be effective against most of the common heroes, voker and shadowfield both need the last hits, for example. If you can shut down their farm early with enfeeble then they are much weaker the entire game. The only mids that spam spells for last hits are zeus and tinker, and its not like you cant block their runes with just 1 point in nightmare and a little awareness. Hes a valid mid, not sure why you think he has to share mid with another hero.

About your offlane arguement, you know you can enfeeble supports too right? And you cant max enfeeble by level 4, dota only lets you get the next level of a spell every other turn. So unless your an idiot and going stats for some reason its not like you cant still beat their support, especially since you would very likely have a friend in lane with you too. Just because you dont max the nuke first doesnt turn you into a creep, you can still defend yourself and last in lane just fine.

[Potato Marshal]

Enfeeble is only good for teamfights when heroes are forced to fight each other in engagements. It does almost nothing early game because nobody is going to stand around trading hits while enfeebled.

If you're just want to spam an ability to prevent an enemy hero from farming, there's no reason why you wouldn't use nightmare or brainsap.

[The Coal Man]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Potato Marshal:

Enfeeble is only good for teamfights when heroes are forced to fight each other in engagements. It does almost nothing early game because nobody is going to stand around trading hits while enfeebled.

If you're just want to spam an ability to prevent an enemy hero from farming, there's no reason why you wouldn't use nightmare or brainsap.

cheaper mana per second for one. Enfeeble gets you 20 seconds of offline for 95 mana, nightmare gets you AT MOST 4-7 seconds for 165. Big fat reason right there. Bane isnt exactly swimming in mana at any point in the game, especially not early. Plus enfeeble gets double the cast range and 1/3 of the cooldown, although that last part isnt as important since it lasts 4x as long.

[Potato Marshal]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Coleron:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Potato Marshal:

Enfeeble is only good for teamfights when heroes are forced to fight each other in engagements. It does almost nothing early game because nobody is going to stand around trading hits while enfeebled.

If you're just want to spam an ability to prevent an enemy hero from farming, there's no reason why you wouldn't use nightmare or brainsap.

cheaper mana per second for one. Enfeeble gets you 20 seconds of offline for 95 mana, nightmare gets you AT MOST 4-7 seconds for 165. Big fat reason right there. Bane isnt exactly swimming in mana at any point in the game, especially not early.

His limited mana pool is exactly why you can't consistently enfeeble the enemy carry in lane. This also limits your ganking potential a lot. Brain sap should almost always be the ability you max out first.

[Toni]

lul
just pick skill 2
stats only
and ult
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