Sick of playing lich and having leavers every single game.

[258789553873]

Still leveling up my account, which is only level 5 right now, and I'm getting sick of playing lich and not feeling useful at all. And sick of being focused because I'm so ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ squishy and have no escapes, and have a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ tem every single ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ game that scatters all over the map and won't group up no matter how many ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ times they get ganked 1v5.

It just occured to me, that perhaps I shouldn't be trying to play a support at all, at least not while I'm such a low level and getting nothing but people who are incompetent. I used to support all the time in LoL, and was quite good at it. I assure you, no amount of support will make a bad player good.

But what should I play??? I was looking for a more durable support, but really the only one I know at all is omniknight, and well, I got him an AR game and didn't do too well.

And just so we know, we lost a 4v3, well it turned into a 3v3 after our carry rage quit because no one would do what he said, when me and him were the only two people in the entire game who knew english.

But what should I play? Lich isn't working out, and I can't play dragonknight like I used to, or viper even though he's supposed to be 'easy'. Yeah, easy as in everyone can own your ass if you dare to right click on them? Or worse yet, try to get close enough to ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ farm????

[Legotrekker]

Play Omniknight, Dazzle, and Abaddon. Doesn't matter how bad your team is, if the enemy team is anywhere near them in terms of ability you can keep everyone alive indefinitely.

[lulborne]

lich is pretty dope. in trench games, try sending in duo offlanes or where the enemy carry will be (since in trench games can be anywhere). sacrifice whenever you can and see how you get XP while also denying their heroes farm and XP.

he's pretty easy to use and is very useful, especially against right clickers thanks to his ice armor. i think you should give old lich another chance.

btw, LoL is not Doto. maybe you are the one being incompetent. no one likes to admit that they are playing bad and putting their team in disavantage with their misplays, but... you should really see if that's the case. i'm almost sure that you are the one making misplays and losing games.

[Metal Arms]

Ogre magi tank support, very good support, way better than lich IMO.

Has a stun, a dot slow, a buff and his ult makes all his abilities do more damage, stun, and lower cd.

His aghanims gives him a second stun that cost 60% of your mana pool so it can always be used.

[258789553873]

I was thinking of quitting support until I get to a higher level, because the people I'm playing with just aren't competent enough for it. I eat a minion, they never come back to get the xp off it. They never defend me, they never stick together. They make me chase them across the whole map just to put a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ shield on them. And last game, the loss obviously wasn't my fault. Both their bottom lane left, drow ranger got top lane and was fed to hell. She was just flipping nuts. Jump out of stealth, and solo our entire team like it was nothing. And shield didn't really help much, when each of her basic attacks was taking a quarter of our hp off, and not just me (she could two-shot me). I know she owns low level pubs, but I dont' see what I can do about it. It just seems to be a coin flip whether I end up on the team with the drow ranger. And I don't see how she can be countered. I mean, how do you become immune to slows and silence??? That's my biggest problem with her, her massive aoe silence. So, I can't cast any spells, I can't run from her, and her right click takes off half my hp. Oh, and what if I stand with the rest of my team? She just kills them all before the silence wears off, then I'm a sitting duck. Okay yeah, I offed her a couple times with my ult after dying, but that didn't really help much.

I'm thinking of just trying to do carry, possibly even drow ranger since she seems so op, and it would be nice to see how other people handle her (in Smite, I found the best way to learn how ot counter a character, was to play that character and see what other people did that really screwed you over, it helped alot).

[Legotrekker]

It sounds like you only play lich.

[lulborne]

Publicado originalmente por Legotrekker:

It sounds like you only play lich.

it sounds like he can't play the game at all yet.
he still uses LoL terms, has almost no hours in the game and doesn't see to understand how to play.

why don't you give the match ID of your games, IXBlackWilffXI? just giving us a huge wall of text ranting about your teammates when you are probably the crap player won't help. if you show your games, maybe people can tell what you are doing wrong.

btw, probably shouldn't try to carry. reading your little rant, i guess you are going to fail even more.

(drow ranger is actually quite good in all the brackets, just so you know, but since you are new and can't play crap yet, i'll give you a free pass on your scrubness).

[Crafozura]

Give skywrath mage a chance - he is strong in mostly all lanes and time length. Can be played as support and core. First ability is strong - the higher your intel, the more dmg it will do. Second ability slow that has a small AOE, third abil, an instant silence and enemy will take more magic damage during the effect. Ultimate, Blast an enemy back to the graveyard if they keep standing inside of it. The more enemy heroes, the less damage.

He is squishy, low armor, not fast, but deals high damage, has some disable. So basically a glass cannon support.


Edit: For tanky support, Try jakiro or ogre magi.

[Vulture Lord]

Publicado originalmente por IXBlackWolfXI:

I was thinking of quitting support until I get to a higher level, because the people I'm playing with just aren't competent enough for it. I eat a minion, they never come back to get the xp off it. They never defend me, they never stick together. They make me chase them across the whole map just to put a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ shield on them. And last game, the loss obviously wasn't my fault. Both their bottom lane left, drow ranger got top lane and was fed to hell. She was just flipping nuts. Jump out of stealth, and solo our entire team like it was nothing. And shield didn't really help much, when each of her basic attacks was taking a quarter of our hp off, and not just me (she could two-shot me). I know she owns low level pubs, but I dont' see what I can do about it. It just seems to be a coin flip whether I end up on the team with the drow ranger. And I don't see how she can be countered. I mean, how do you become immune to slows and silence??? That's my biggest problem with her, her massive aoe silence. So, I can't cast any spells, I can't run from her, and her right click takes off half my hp. Oh, and what if I stand with the rest of my team? She just kills them all before the silence wears off, then I'm a sitting duck. Okay yeah, I offed her a couple times with my ult after dying, but that didn't really help much.

I'm thinking of just trying to do carry, possibly even drow ranger since she seems so op, and it would be nice to see how other people handle her (in Smite, I found the best way to learn how ot counter a character, was to play that character and see what other people did that really screwed you over, it helped alot).

Bkb and manta. Go skywrath harass her out of lane. Or go nyx and hunt her down. Make her life miserable.

[cyberpinoy]

Firstly this is NOT LoL, they are not even in the same League as DotA. So forget anything and everything you think you knew from LoL. I can dominate in LoL carry my team even with a support hero.

Supporting in DotA is nothing like supporting in LoL. Do you let the carry get the rune beginning game, Notify team of rune spawns, do u let ur carry get the last hits laning, is the map always bright, is the enemy map always dark, are you using your items to best help your carrys.

Sometimes WE think we are doing what we need to and we are great at supporting, but if you said NO to any of the above (becasue your honest and all) your not a good support.

[258789553873]

Yes, I notify people of runes, it seems like that's the only thing anyone really values me for. I let the carry get all the last hits (I only try to last hit when he's absent). Yes, I ward as much as I can. But no, I don't scout for enemy wards, which I know I should do. I ward at the start, but after team fights start breaking out I get distracted.

I actually do do well early game (unless there's a drow in my lane, she counters me way too hard). I slow them with my 1 when they're retreating with low hp, or are chasing after the carry. I ult in team fights, if I can get it off before I die (stunning me at the start seems to take top priority, seriously, I get more kills when I'm dead than when I'm alive, shocking how much damage I deal when I'm only building tranquility boots and mechanism). But really, other than that, I feel useless. Way, I have 2 slows, one on my ult, and I can deny creeps with my 3, but that's it. It might seem nice, but when the enemy team is full of stuns and silences, slows look like nothing. I do distinctly remember stuns being stupid crazy op in the original dota, and I wasn't alone in that opinion either. Dragonknight was the only character who had a stun that lasted for more than a fraction of a second (yeah, a 1 second stun was the longest duration stun in the game by far), but you got stunned for even a tenth of a second, you were dead. I saw a thread once where people were complaining about it. But the developers claimed they couldn't reduce the durations any further. Really the only way to nerf stuns was to outright remove them. Granted, stuns don't seem to be as bad now (heard something about 'nerfing blink dagger'), but that doesn't change the fact that everyone has better cc than I do. And their stuns and silences last for 5 or 6 seconds.

And I just decided to try and carry a game as luna in a solo bot match. The last time I tried it, I didn't do so well. This time however, there wasnt really a point in the game where it looked hopeless, though it did take me a while to get going. My biggest problem was the stupid bots just standing around doing nothing. They would call out they were about to push but never do it, and even when they did go to the lane they were going to 'push', they would just camp tower. I basically had to solo that game. And the enemy AI showed a lot more intelligence. They were actually pushing relentlessly, and staying in a group and owning everyone that came near them. Essentially, they were about a smart as the players I play with at level 5. Yeah...

[lulborne]

oh dude. just stop with the walls and post one of yours games where your teammates are "ruining" your day (by posting, i mean giving us the match ID and not a huge wall of text telling us what happened in the game).

[tom tomorrow]

Trust me. You probably don't wanna give up playing support for that reason. IMO it's far less frustrating to play as a support and have your carry fail than it is to play a carry and have no solid foundation to stand on. No wards, etc. In an evenly matched game, a carry can be very dependent on his support's ability to give him adequate vision and the space to free farm.

As someone else already mentioned, LOL and DotA are quite different games. The support role in DotA demands a lot more. Knowing how to properly harass, deny, pull waves, and exercise early game kill control can be crucial. If you've got more kills than your carry at the 30 minute mark, then you're probably going to have a bad time in the late game.

My advice would be to play a support hero who can comfortably transition into a semi carry build. Someone like Mirana, Vengeful Spirit, Abaddon. Among others. They aren't going to stand up to some of the true carries. Heroes like Anti Mage, Spectre or Alchemist will absolutely melt face if they manage to get six slotted. But at least that way you can support during the early game, and if things do go to ♥♥♥♥, and by things, I mean your carry, then at least you can get yourself strong enough to stand somewhat of a chance.

[tom tomorrow]

Also, the key to not getting picked off by a shadow bladed drow is positioning and good, constant map awareness. In fact, positioning and map awareness are probably the two most important things to have a firm handle on, period.

[A Street Sweeper]

If playing support is not working out for you, then start playing pub stompers. I recommend Spirit breaker, especially since he just ♥♥♥♥♥ on Drow. Riki and Ursa are great as well. Just build a shadowblade on Ursa and activate Overpower then invis and go delete someone.

You really shouldn't be getting beaten in lane as Lich against Drow though. Just eat creep, throw blast, move back out of range... repeat.

[tom tomorrow]

Actually, a good Drow has no problem taking down a Spirit Breaker. Provided you have wards up and a team that communicates, you just gust him as he's charging. Then tear him down with frost arrows.