50 % WIN CHANCE PER GAME IS JUST A FILTHY LIE

[Ged]

Dota says you have 50% chance to win every game !
Well it's just a filthy lie !
If you already know it and you don't care you need to know whats happening to your brain just to keep all Dota players (semi) happy !
I am a video game level designer and the first rule in level design is to design alternate challenges and succeed for player !
So what is wrong with Dota ?
Actually when you are designing a challenge for a player you are telling him "It is possible to do it " and get your prize ! But In Dota it is impossible to win a game with 4 "Feeders" in your team! I'm sure you all experienced lose streaks , and I'm sure You know how It feels .
Wasting 1 hours of your life , losing MMR , Losing your prediction ,losing your betting !
And the worst thing about Dota is that You are experiencing a social activity with real people !
They can make you sad , attack your personality , getting on your nerves and sometimes give you rage headaches !
I really want to know whats happening to my brain to get addicted to Dota !
I think It's just not right to tell people you have 50% chance to win when It's actually 50% certain win and 50% certain lose for all of your games !
I mean how can I lose 1000 games out of 2000 games ! Sth Is wrong isn't it ?
So after all , Whats the solution ? I doubt Dota publish its match making algorithm and I doubt Dota make it random ( random players with same level or MMR ) and I even doubt they let this post trends (They have locked my last discussion ) But I hope we can boost this discussion maybe they understand how we feel and make Dota more enjoyable to play !
Tnx for reading . ;)

One thing I want to add to this post :
I wish valve would know we would be still happy if we lose a game because of bad luck , low skill , etc ... I would rather lose more than 50 % my games but don't win an unfair game with feeders and noobs are in enemy side (in other hand the unfair winner could be me in another match).

[FunnyJoke]

WE JUST NEED MORE REPORTS FFS...if you have 3 feeders in your team i doubt that you can report them all (intentional feeding dont get me wrong)...because simply you dont have so many reports and if this keep happening in every 4th game or so...this is going to be a disaster for dota community........and it is already destroyed

[ImageryGuy]

I said it before. I will say it again. Every time you report, you shoot yourself in the foot. You make the players able to be matched with/against you that much harder to defeat. The report system eliminates dumb players, laggy players, unexperienced players, and anyone else that derps a game from the potential other 9 players you can be grouped with in a match.

As the ability goes up, the odds you win a match go down. So if you want to be challenged in future matches versus increasingly more difficult opponents, use every possible report you can.

[Resident]

Dota 2 ist not make fun for me anymore i see that matchmaking is unfair and skills make no change ur skills don't help u to win or to raise ur mmr is just like luck games like poker or u het noobs or leavers or afk i check enemie profile every game to check what they play and what for gpm an epm they have every time i lose i got an enemy that he losed last 4 or 5 games and he win on me its luck its every thing planed dota is s great game but don't make fun any more

[Tony Shor]

For everyone who doesn't believe -- go to dotabuff "players, win rate" and choose anyone of them, those guys are very skilled, right?? But all of them mostly play captains mode, or captains draft with the stack of 5. And when they play solo All Pick they get rekt just like all of us. Win streak, Loose streak. So don't dare to tell me that Dota is not keeping us on around 50% winrate. It's pretty simple to figure out the skill level of player and his tendetions to ruin the game or be useless. Knowing this -- it's simple to predict wich team is going to win, yours or theirs.
So it's never a 50% chance. It's 10% or 90%. But you will never know wich one.

[Pajeet Sleya]

It has more than 50% win chance per game, if u think ur teammates aint that good then lead them. U just got to know how to lower ur pride. Stop whinning idiot. Sometimes players report other players because they're good. Not just bcos he's feeding.

[Tony Shor]

Originally posted by LyZe O' Kiel:

It has more than 50% win chance per game, if u think ur teammates aint that good then lead them. U just got to know how to lower ur pride. Stop whinning idiot. Sometimes players report other players because they're good. Not just bcos he's feeding.

How would you lead Antimage that blinks on a cliff and waits? How would you lead Tiny that asks you to help him to get rune? How will you lead this game and win it if they ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ TOSS YOU ON A CLIFF, AND THEN REUSE THE COURIER SO YOU CAN'T GET YOUR TP??? "Whinning idiot"??? I can show you a whinning idiot. Look, here I am. Teach me, mentor.

[Kyōraku]

Originally posted by Nudge:

I said it before. I will say it again. Every time you report, you shoot yourself in the foot. You make the players able to be matched with/against you that much harder to defeat. The report system eliminates dumb players, laggy players, unexperienced players, and anyone else that derps a game from the potential other 9 players you can be grouped with in a match.

As the ability goes up, the odds you win a match go down. So if you want to be challenged in future matches versus increasingly more difficult opponents, use every possible report you can.

Actually as i said in the main post I'd rather to play a hard game against a good team and lose because of lack of skill , as my party games , we lose but still enjoying a good game and I guess most of you are agree with me , as Tony Shor said this force losing (and winning) in solo match making is ridiculous.

[Tony Shor]

Originally posted by LyZe O' Kiel:

It has more than 50% win chance per game, if u think ur teammates aint that good then lead them. U just got to know how to lower ur pride. Stop whinning idiot. Sometimes players report other players because they're good. Not just bcos he's feeding.

Here's another situation. You're Enigma, Dire. Sniper and two creeps are pushing your top t1 tower. All team comes to gank him, so you hide in the trees to not let him see you or he will run away, but team is too far. Party of 3 is pinging on that tower, and you don't even get what they want from you. When Sniper feels his butt may get hurt soon -- he runs away. Team is still too far to start chasing him. Noone has tp, as always. You ask them "Why do you ping on tower so much?" and they say "SO YOU'D GO AND DEF IT!!!"... it's more than 50%hp, two creeps and Sniper ain't devastating threat I guess. And when you start explaining to them, that if you will show up -- Sniper will get away -- they say "STOP TALKING, YOUR VOICE IS ANNOYING" and each of this party member repeats this like 5 times or something. Do you still want to play this game or you want to be a prideful selfish ♥♥♥♥??

[Kyōraku]

Originally posted by Dr Taco Monster:

https://www.dotabuff.com/matches/3022310665
https://www.dotabuff.com/matches/3006233110

You fed way worse in these games. OMG how is your team supposed to win when they keep getting put with noob feeders?!

Sometimes people have bad games, it's not the system being out to get you, it's you not understanding how the game works.

Grats on getting to 2k though!

Well feels so bad to say that but I did intentional feed in those games cause of some racists or stuff like that , I know I should mute them and play my game and report them in the end but sometimes you just cant control it , but I'm not talking about intentional feeding ! then i should speak about how toxic community is and stuff like that , but I'm talking about match making , It seems it force you to lose no matter how good you play , how nice you be with ppl ,....
But about that Radiant/Dire player placement Nudge just said , It's really changing my mind

[A Street Sweeper]

Originally posted by Tony Shor:

For everyone who doesn't believe -- go to dotabuff "players, win rate" and choose anyone of them, those guys are very skilled, right?? But all of them mostly play captains mode, or captains draft with the stack of 5. And when they play solo All Pick they get rekt just like all of us. Win streak, Loose streak. So don't dare to tell me that Dota is not keeping us on around 50% winrate. It's pretty simple to figure out the skill level of player and his tendetions to ruin the game or be useless. Knowing this -- it's simple to predict wich team is going to win, yours or theirs.
So it's never a 50% chance. It's 10% or 90%. But you will never know wich one.

Alright...
https://www.dotabuff.com/players/123048453/matches?page=20
https://www.dotabuff.com/players/339420939/matches
https://www.dotabuff.com/players/32995405/matches?hero=templar-assassin

3 separate accounts all well clear of 50% (If you don't consider 55% to be well clear at 7k+ mmr you're delusional). That's whilst he randoms half the time as well, not even tryharding. I can actually find more, including an 80%winrate account which was a booster who sells accounts. Not that facts mean anything to conspiracy cranks, but it'll be fun to see how you can spin this one.

[RifqyDgamer]

the main rule of salt prevention in this game is to play with your friends, never solo.
if you want to do solo matchmaking, well you're in for one HELL of a time

[Tony Shor]

Originally posted by Dr Taco Monster:

Alright...
https://www.dotabuff.com/players/123048453/matches?page=20
https://www.dotabuff.com/players/339420939/matches?game_mode=single_draft
https://www.dotabuff.com/players/32995405/matches?hero=templar-assassin

3 separate accounts all well clear of 50% (If you don't consider 55% to be well clear at 7k+ mmr you're delusional). That's whilst he randoms half the time as well, not even tryharding. I can actually find more, including an 80%winrate account which was a booster who sells accounts. Not that facts mean anything to conspiracy cranks, but it'll be fun to see how you can spin this one.

Well I don't know what you're trying to say, dude, but their all pick winrate is around 55-66%, and if they are top skilled then why it's not 80%? And I'm not talking about 7k mmr, I can't judge these guys. I'm looking at Normal Matchmaking, All Pick. And what I see is -- all of them have loose streaks and win streaks, just as I have it. Wich means your skill needs to be more than good to carry out some impossible 10%-win-chance-games, to rase your winrate above 55%.

[Tony Shor]

Originally posted by RifqyDgamer:

the main rule of salt prevention in this game is to play with your friends, never solo.
if you want to do solo matchmaking, well you're in for one HELL of a time

Yeah)) One HELL of it)
I don't have friends. I don't want to make one, cause my trust is broken. What now? I should stop playing dota cause there are some bad people overthere? oh, ♥♥♥♥ them.

[> <]

Originally posted by Tony Shor:

Originally posted by RifqyDgamer:

the main rule of salt prevention in this game is to play with your friends, never solo.
if you want to do solo matchmaking, well you're in for one HELL of a time

Yeah)) One HELL of it)
I don't have friends. I don't want to make one, cause my trust is broken. What now? I should stop playing dota cause there are some bad people overthere? oh, ♥♥♥♥ them.

Well if then, just keep this in mind. In solo queues, unless you, yourself are a troll/feeder/flamer/toxic player, the chances of the enemy team to get troll(s)/feeder(s)/flamer(s)/toxic player(s) is 25% higher than yours and that is a fact.

[Tony Shor]

Originally posted by The Absolute God of Hyperdeath:

Originally posted by Tony Shor:

Yeah)) One HELL of it)
I don't have friends. I don't want to make one, cause my trust is broken. What now? I should stop playing dota cause there are some bad people overthere? oh, ♥♥♥♥ them.

Well if then, just keep this in mind. In solo queues, unless you, yourself are a troll/feeder/flamer/toxic player, the chances of the enemy team to get troll(s)/feeder(s)/flamer(s)/toxic player(s) is 25% higher than yours and that is a fact.

Yeah, math is the queen of science. But I'm becoming more toxic with every awful game I have, so soon I will fall into the depths of toxicity. Beware my future teammates. It's gonna be hot out there.