Matchmaking System

[JonSnow II]

Anyone understand how the games are matchmaked for normal/turbo games?

I got recalibrated at Legend3 just after season restarted, fought my way up fair and square to anc1. No smurfing, no boosting. Have been chilling and playing normal/turbo games ever since but i realised almost 95% of my games I am matchmaked with guardians and archons, very rarely I see legends and ancients. As someone who climbed the ranks playing pos5 mostly, even when i play core in these games, I can't carry my team.

So qns is why am I not matchmaked with players of my same bracket? I am very very fine with losing games as long as it's of high quality where the team knows what to do and play to their roles and execute good team plays. The majority of my games are where everyone tries to FP cores and starts feeding 0/5 first 10mins with a diffusal and a threads at 20mins that's really tilting me out and making me rage at the whole team and giving up the game in 20mins (this literally just happened before i post this). And as usual, I checked everyone's rank and they are all guardians/archons. I just want a certain consistency in my games whereby the percentage of me getting matchmaked with people ard my bracket shd be 95% of the time and 5% mixed.

So what is the point of me climbing up my rank if I can't be matchmaked with people of similar ranks consistently? Or is it the system feels I was boosted for my ranked games that's why they throw me now in the lower ranked pool? Or is the reason ancient ranked and above only plays ranked and that's why I can't matchmaked with them? I seldom even see Legend players in my games. I want to play with players who have the same level of understanding in the game as I do, that's all. Or is the community really just dying, thats's why the pool of players are getting smaller and smaller? Anyone have the same experiences maybe can share them.

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[JonSnow II]

95% of my games i meet archons/guardians
rarely do i meet legends/ancients
even when i do meet them, it will not be a full team of legends/anc but a mixture of archons/guardians
no disrespect to them, some of the archons and guardians i played with definitely have better technical skills and reactions than me. It's just i feel most of them lack the understanding of the game eg. when to push, when to stick, when to rs. Some would own the game for 20mins solo killing everyone on the map but after which are too stubborn to stick with the team to get objectives.
I believe I got my rank cause i have a better understanding of the game than most and i play my role effectively. And i hope to play with players with similar level of understandings that's all, in normal/turbo games.

[JonSnow II]

i was ancient 3 before recalibration of new season bro. got recalibrated to L3 and fought my way back up to a1. I am quite sure if i push more i can get to a2 at least but the toxicity of the games are too much for me to handle, thats why im just chilling in normal games now.

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Originally posted by JonSnow II:

95% of my games i meet archons/guardians
rarely do i meet legends/ancients
even when i do meet them, it will not be a full team of legends/anc but a mixture of archons/guardians
no disrespect to them, some of the archons and guardians i played with definitely have better technical skills and reactions than me. It's just i feel most of them lack the understanding of the game eg. when to push, when to stick, when to rs. Some would own the game for 20mins solo killing everyone on the map but after which are too stubborn to stick with the team to get objectives.
I believe I got my rank cause i have a better understanding of the game than most and i play my role effectively. And i hope to play with players with similar level of understandings that's all, in normal/turbo games.

Turbo is an entirely different mode and game. Just because someone is divine+ doesnt mean they are good at turbo and also why an archon can be good at turbo but awful at real dota games.

That is why unranked and ranked use 2 different mmr systems so idk why you keep mentioning ranked medals in an unranked mode. You can mention their GPA and solitaire high score as well if you want to just list things that don't matter

[JonSnow II]

i mostly play normal games only, not turbo

[JonSnow II]

so you are saying unranked/ranked there's 2 mmr system? is there any official statement on this? If there is, then it makes more sense already.

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Originally posted by JonSnow II:

so you are saying unranked/ranked there's 2 mmr system? is there any official statement on this? If there is, then it makes more sense already.

IDK any official statement since Valve deletes a lot of their old news/posts, but it is also just obvious when you look at unranked game make ups. You would probably never see a divine and an archon in solo Q ranked games (unless the system detects boosting by the divine or smurfing by the archon) but I've seen it a lot in unranked games (diretide is another example where I've seen huge distributions in medals).

Also, again they are 2 different modes. Valve might completely ignore ranked mmr when pairing for unranked games, but I doubt it since I've never seen 4 high medal players against 4 heralds in an unranked game.

I havent played turbo in over a year and think the mode is too fast with a completely different meta and item builds. Why should they use my ranked matchmaking as an indicator of my turbo skill? Or my ability draft skill? I haven't played ability draft in over 2-3 years. Makes no sense

Finally, I play unranked to practice heroes. Putting me against some archons tryharding while I learn meepo or invoker (or some cavern crawl hero that I dont want to play but want to finish) could make it look like I'm boosted, but that is what unranked is for.....fun and practice. I'm not tryharding in unranked so my medal is pretty meaningless from a matchmaking perspective

[Doing My Shadow Pool Time]

Originally posted by JonSnow II:

95% of my games i meet archons/guardians
rarely do i meet legends/ancients
even when i do meet them, it will not be a full team of legends/anc but a mixture of archons/guardians
no disrespect to them, some of the archons and guardians i played with definitely have better technical skills and reactions than me. It's just i feel most of them lack the understanding of the game eg. when to push, when to stick, when to rs. Some would own the game for 20mins solo killing everyone on the map but after which are too stubborn to stick with the team to get objectives.
I believe I got my rank cause i have a better understanding of the game than most and i play my role effectively. And i hope to play with players with similar level of understandings that's all, in normal/turbo games.

Yall know how it works right? Aint about matching you in the same bracket, its about matching the "average" so you have a 50% chance of winning. Reason for this is people whinged many years ago about MMR as well as people whom were toxic so they introduced behaviour. Secondly they never put a reduced cap on MMR so people have such a massive range in MMR its hard to find games. So this inevitably caused people to just not find games, like 10 to 20 mins. Causing even more people to leave the game. For low behaviour like myself for 5 years, could take 20 to 40 minutes to find a match (in Aus). So what they did was, increased the "range" of players based in both low behaviour and also MMR. so that you can find a game more efficiently. The problem is after 2 minutes if you haven't found the same MMR in ranked, it will start "broadening" the range. In non ranked it will jsut do it from the get go, but in ranked the longer you wait for a game, the larger the range of MMR will be. As long as its 50% chance of winning, you get whom you get. But lets be honest here, Ancient 1 isn't much different to Crusader. Infact you need to be closer to Divine 4 and above in order to start playing real matches. Anything below is nearly the same level. Ive seen crusaders crush ancients mid lane. Ive seen Ancients 4's not able to last hit. So there is a massive issue with people not in their correct MMR because the game is way to "linear" up 30 mmr and down 30 mmr. And as a result of this, heaps of either account buyers or smurfs, or just people not correctly ranked. So yeah to sum up the game in one sentence.

The games a mess

[JonSnow II]

the unranked games i find can be quite fast, sometimes even within seconds, and still they are of differing ranges eg. from crusaders to legends but mostly crusaders/archons. my ranked games will always be ard my range. at most some L5 or A2. matches where u see crusaders pwning ancients in lane are mostly smurfs or account buyers. can definitely feel the difference between a crusader and a anc by eg. item builds, game play, reactions. small small things i see i know there's a difference. like my ranked games, when i play against all ancients, small things like walking past a creep camp at 55th seconds, ancient players will pull for that small extra value add. i dont see such things at even legend levels. all these if u play enough and have a decent understanding of the game, u will have a good gauge of the level difference between players.
as i say i am not belittling other ranks, i have lost lanes to lower ranked players though rarely. some do have better game mechanics than me eg, reactions and macroing skills. but i know these players do not have a good understanding of the game itself or they simply do not want to play as a team, thats why their ranks stay stagnant.

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Originally posted by JonSnow II:

Anyone understand how the games are matchmaked for normal/turbo games?

I got recalibrated at Legend3 just after season restarted, fought my way up fair and square to anc1. No smurfing, no boosting. Have been chilling and playing normal/turbo games ever since but i realised almost 95% of my games I am matchmaked with guardians and archons, very rarely I see legends and ancients. As someone who climbed the ranks playing pos5 mostly, even when i play core in these games, I can't carry my team.

So qns is why am I not matchmaked with players of my same bracket? I am very very fine with losing games as long as it's of high quality where the team knows what to do and play to their roles and execute good team plays. The majority of my games are where everyone tries to FP cores and starts feeding 0/5 first 10mins with a diffusal and a threads at 20mins that's really tilting me out and making me rage at the whole team and giving up the game in 20mins (this literally just happened before i post this). And as usual, I checked everyone's rank and they are all guardians/archons. I just want a certain consistency in my games whereby the percentage of me getting matchmaked with people ard my bracket shd be 95% of the time and 5% mixed.

So what is the point of me climbing up my rank if I can't be matchmaked with people of similar ranks consistently? Or is it the system feels I was boosted for my ranked games that's why they throw me now in the lower ranked pool? Or is the reason ancient ranked and above only plays ranked and that's why I can't matchmaked with them? I seldom even see Legend players in my games. I want to play with players who have the same level of understanding in the game as I do, that's all. Or is the community really just dying, thats's why the pool of players are getting smaller and smaller? Anyone have the same experiences maybe can share them.

just play

[Little Bear]

i dont think its based on winning too, as I fought with archon - crusader and lose 7 out of my 10 games and i still got legend 3 and now im grinding to ancient! self rate - contribution in game count the most

[Terente22CmRecords]

as long as teh lvl 0 trolls are there to feed and be afk it dosent realy matter the matchmaking

[GangsterTM]

From what I understand, normal games can match you up with a wider range of MMR difference. It is somehow related with your ranked MMR, but not strictly.
As far as I know, there is no official announcement about how it works, but also there is nothing official about other Dota 2 mechanics as well, we are just making speculations.
Noone knows for sure.

[JonSnow II]

Ok so an update after a year, same thing is still happening. Still getting MM with players lower ranked than me. Sometimes I even get guardian ranks in my game and they like to pick carries and just feed throughout the game. I have been making some observation. I have a friend whom I got to know years before through playing ranked games. Both of us are similar in rank, probably ancient 2-3 bracket. We have both stopped playing rank and generally only play turbo games but while I did open my rank every new season, he has not done so. So I have been going through his game history and realise that his games in general will consist of ancient rank and above. I seldom see any guardian or legend in his games. This is what I want in my games. Just so weird that 2 similar ranked players have such contrasting matchmaked games. This is just so frustrating. I just want to chill and play with players at the same level as me. Occasionally, if the player pool is low, throwing me in the lower rank pool is ok but at the very least, valve should let me know I am in a lower rank pool so that I may pick a core instead of a my usual support role. So frustrating to put in all the effort to win the game as a support but to lose the game late just because my supposedly lower ranked core refuses to buy BKB.