Winning inbetween 10 and 16 mmr per game, loosing 35?

[[HFA] Madskillzz ♿]

Hi team,

I have had a very rough decrease in MMR over the past week.

If you check my dotabuff within the past week i have a winpercentage of 63% in solo matchmaking.

(It shows team matchmaking aswell, you have to tick that option off, otherwise it only shows 58% winrate)
https://www.dotabuff.com/players/27527190/matches?date=week&enhance=overview


But i've fallen from 5870 mmr to 5685.

Whenever i win i get between 3 and 15 mmr, when i lose i lose 25-35.

Last game i lost ♥♥♥♥ing 35 mmr from 5720 to 5685.... That does not making any ♥♥♥♥ing sense how this game works.

With a win percentage of 63% in solo matchmaking I am still unable to climb. What the ♥♥♥♥ is going on?

[[HFA] Madskillzz ♿]

After i wrote this thread, the very game after i won 11 mmr...

[Lazarus]

Originally posted by HFA Madskillzz:

After i wrote this thread, the very game after i won 11 mmr...

Recently I started to gain like 25-30% of my medal and when I won and dropped like 15-20% when I lost

[[HFA] Madskillzz ♿]

So for you its the opposit. Gaining more than loosing. It feels very frustrating to win 3-15 but lose 25-35. Should i just wait with playing solo for a bit?

[Brooks]

in high brackets its kinda normal to deal with that

6k players always got like +5mmr haha
so win 5 games to have a 0% quote

thats what i know from 2k15 around..
maybe it ♥♥♥ back again :(

[Absche]

As far as I know it updates not just after every game. Thus the change in mmr can comprise the change after 2 or even 3 matches.

[[HFA] Madskillzz ♿]

That is not the case, since i check like 2-5 times every game :D
I fap to my mmr a bit too much, i am always 100% sure what mmr i am currently at.

[BossGalaga]

MMR gain and loss is dependent on MMR spread of teams. So if you win against a team with a lower spread then you will typically gain less MMR. According to Stratz (a 3rd party stat site), you've had a number of recent games with the spread in your team's favor. If this is correct, then games you lost in your favor would have dinged you for more MMR and games you won in your favor would have given less MMR.

[[HFA] Madskillzz ♿]

So it is just bad rng i suppose?

[[HFA] Madskillzz ♿]

Update.... I just lost 36 mmr... for one game. 36 ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ mmr!??!?! I have to win 3-4 matches to just earn 36 mmr back. WTF is wrong with my account?

[BossGalaga]

Originally posted by HFA Madskillzz:

Update.... I just lost 36 mmr... for one game. 36 ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ mmr!??!?! I have to win 3-4 matches to just earn 36 mmr back. WTF is wrong with my account?

It has to do with the MMR spread as already pointed out. You're immortal rank. Your "problem" is that you're a little too good. Because you have a negative handicap in most of your recent games, that means when you win games that you are expected to stomp, you get less MMR and when you lose games that you are expected to stomp, you lose more MMR. Since matchmaking can't always find 10 players of the exact same MMR, there's a disparity in the MMR spread that looks like it's usually in your favor.

If you're not already in a league team and you're interested in more competitive play, I would recommend joining an amateur or semi-amateur league team.

[[HFA] Madskillzz ♿]

I am already playing in a team. But I have to train playing solo games. There should be an option to play higher mmr games and just wait in queue. I gladly wait 10 mins extra to get in game with minimum MMR spread.

Its just redicilous that 4 wins makes up for 1 loss. Despite which rank you are. It doesnt ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ matter if you are Archon or top 5000 on leaderboard. You should never loss 36 mmr, and only win 3-15? Then remake the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ queue system so i get queued up with people on my own level.

[BossGalaga]

Originally posted by HFA Madskillzz:

I am already playing in a team. But I have to train playing solo games. There should be an option to play higher mmr games and just wait in queue. I gladly wait 10 mins extra to get in game with minimum MMR spread.

Its just redicilous that 4 wins makes up for 1 loss. Despite which rank you are. It doesnt ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ matter if you are Archon or top 5000 on leaderboard. You should never loss 36 mmr, and only win 3-15? Then remake the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ queue system so i get queued up with people on my own level.

At Immortal rank, it would likely take a lot longer than "10 mins extra" to get a near perfectly matched MMR spread between both teams.

It's not really the game's fault. The higher your MMR, the lower the player pool is going to be for players of the same MMR. If you don't like being subjected to MMR penalties in solo pubs, then I would suggest making friends with as many closely matched legitimate players as you can and queuing for party games, although this will only guarantee that your team is evenly matched. To find a team to play against, matchmaking may have to pick from lower MMR players (resulting in a negative handicap) or higher MMR players.

Standard ELO rating systems in online and real games such as chess, also work in this manner, where if a higher ELO player loses to a lower ELO player, the higher ELO player loses more rating and the lower player gains more rating.

As an alternative consideration, you don't always have to play ranked.

[[HFA] Madskillzz ♿]

It makes sense, but all i am saying is that i gladly sac some times and wait for fair match rather than fast queue and end up playing a 4/1 in mmr difference.

Otherwise there is only peak hours i can play dota. If i play between 4:00 and 8:00 pm i get fair matches.

[You are cow]

Originally posted by Card Gamer:

As far as I know it updates not just after every game. Thus the change in mmr can comprise the change after 2 or even 3 matches.

It literally updates after every single game as soon as the match is over.

[You are cow]

I'm surprised you're only now discovering this. I've had the same problem in the high 5k bracket for a while. Many of my friends also have the same problem. One of the reasons I'm rapidly losing interest in dota altogether and playing less.