♥♥♥♥ this no role queue game.

[Kross]

forcing people to play support role is absolute stupid ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ thing valve has ever come up with, every matchmaking i play is filled with people that have no clue how to play support or picking a carry or offlaner, costing us the game.
i'm stuck at support role in solo queue and there's no way i can play my initial role without teaming up.

why the ♥♥♥♥ you have to earn your core role? did they actually think it some kind of privilege to play core?


♥♥♥♥ this update and screw people that come up with this idea.

sorry for swearing, i just can't deal with this anymore.

[zZzooey.exe]

youre not forced. you can play ranked classic where u can pick whatever you want without selecting roles. then you can play ranked roles, and after that ranked random draft and ranked captains mode. why you force yourself to play 1 mode out of 4 offered is a question you need to ask yourself.
needless to say, playing support does improve you as a carry player too. so stop treating it like its a curse.

[76561198447108940]

you must suck at all roles if you're complaining xd

[76561198966993542]

♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ matchmaking with nooob like son of bhitch

[Dark Sun Gwyndolin]

Yes, you DO have to earn the right to play core. Everyone wants to play core, which breaks the matchmaking, thus giving all core players 10 minute plus wait times. Therefore, Valve decided that, if you want the privilege of playing Ranked Roles, you need to contribute to the support matchmaking pool. Supports meanwhile, can play Ranked Roles as much as they want, since they are solving the lack of supports. If everyone wanted to play support for some reason, Valve would require people to play core to make the system work.

[Ghostly Lone Wolf]

Originally posted by Felix Argyle:

Supports meanwhile, can play Ranked Roles as much as they want, since they are solving the lack of supports.

Pos 4 and 5 are both considerate as supports.
If you don't want to play pos 5 and you only want to play pos 4 what you wrote does not apply.
To play Ranked Roles as much as you want you need to have pos 4 and pos 5 selected and that usualy translate into you ending up pos 5 (because nobody wants to play pos 5 to begin with).

Current situation with supports, especialy pos 5 is not really players fault. In this game there is no love at all for pos 5. A pos 5 has better options than Dota 2...

If the enemies have some sort of gap closer core (and there are several in Dota 2) after 15 min you are free kill as pos 5. In other MOBA games supports situation is way better and in at least 1 MOBA as support you are not free kill even during late game...

Forcing players to play a role they don't want to is not a good thing. It just decreases the quality of the games. It's better to understand why players just don't want to play pos 5 (or you lose pos 5 to other MOBA games) and fix the problem.

Forcing players won't make them happy. If they are unhappy the chances for them to move to other games increases.

I came back to Dota 2 after 5 years of break when they added free ranked roles. They change it to force me to play not role ranked to be allowed to play only pos 4 I stopped playing ranked. From now on until they will bring back free ranked roles I will only show up during events and play only turbo (because I can be a pos 5 and happy carry the game). And I will basicaly return to one of the other MOBA that allows me to play the role I want without forcing me to play a role I dislike.

Sure in those years there have been some extremely light improvements for pos 5. Too little improvements compared to other MOBA and clearly not enough to keep me in the game if I'm forced to play pos 5.

Don't say play turbo then, well I dislike playing pos 1,2 and 3 and turbo is not a role queue so I will end up being force to play core something that I just don't like. In reality I'm a semi-carry semi-support player something that in Dota 2 only works as pos 4 because as pos 4 I can be a semi-carry or semi-support or both in same time depending on situation.

[Grimmz]

Originally posted by KrossZx:

why the ♥♥♥♥ you have to earn your core role? did they actually think it some kind of privilege to play core?

no its not a privilege. its just that no one wants to play support cos they're not treated well.
so how do you get faster queues? make the core spammers play support too..

[Absche]

Before enforcing ranked roles with a fixed 60:40 core to support ratio Valve should have thought about the available roles in the player base.and improve the gaming experience of support players. The entire mood and user interface of the game, the visual and acoustic effects are focused on core players.
With ranked classic there is at least an option to come back to old 4:1 or even 5:0 core to support lineups.

[RadCon One]

Originally posted by Card Gamer:

Before enforcing ranked roles with a fixed 60:40 core to support ratio Valve should have thought about the available roles in the player base.and improve the gaming experience of support players. The entire mood and user interface of the game, the visual and acoustic effects are focused on core players.
With ranked classic there is at least an option to come back to old 4:1 or even 5:0 core to support lineups.

Yes, 5 cores as an option technically exists in classic, but it will cause you to lose all your games at higher all skill levels above the lowest tiers. The enemy team will be farming and fighting just fine, while you are struggling to get any last hits and what ones you do have a chance at are forcefully "shared" with your lane mate.

[76561198436395756]

Originally posted by KrossZx:

forcing people to play support role is absolute stupid ♥♥♥♥ing thing valve has ever come up with, every matchmaking i play is filled with people that have no clue how to play support or picking a carry or offlaner, costing us the game.
i'm stuck at support role in solo queue and there's no way i can play my initial role without teaming up.

why the ♥♥♥♥ you have to earn your core role? did they actually think it some kind of privilege to play core?


♥♥♥♥ this update and screw people that come up with this idea.

sorry for swearing, i just can't deal with this anymore.

u are right... any good player knows that each role has many unique things and a pos 1 dont understand pos 5 duties. and this force thing make game worse. surely anyone can play any role but in higher ranks u need to be efficient

[Absche]

Originally posted by Entropy:

Originally posted by Card Gamer:

Before enforcing ranked roles with a fixed 60:40 core to support ratio Valve should have thought about the available roles in the player base.and improve the gaming experience of support players. The entire mood and user interface of the game, the visual and acoustic effects are focused on core players.
With ranked classic there is at least an option to come back to old 4:1 or even 5:0 core to support lineups.

Yes, 5 cores as an option technically exists in classic, but it will cause you to lose all your games at higher all skill levels above the lowest tiers. The enemy team will be farming and fighting just fine, while you are struggling to get any last hits and what ones you do have a chance at are forcefully "shared" with your lane mate.

I think ranked players should know about these basics and choose their lineup by themselves and following the Dota2 claim for "Any hero can fill multiple roles, and there's an abundance of items to help meet the needs of each game. Dota doesn't provide limitations on how to play, it empowers you to express your own style."
Ranked roles streamlines and restricts Dota2 in its main and unique feature of versatility. Anyway, players have the choice now. Better than before with the enforced ranked roles queue.

[V]

Wait few more years support role will be gone dw

[76561198966993542]

why always got a noob supp and offlaner bhitches i think band all heralds thanks

[Holyvision]

This is literally what Ranked Classic is -- no role forced ranked. Go play that.

[:D]

Originally posted by KrossZx:

forcing people to play support role is absolute stupid ♥♥♥♥ing thing valve has ever come up with, every matchmaking i play is filled with people that have no clue how to play support or picking a carry or offlaner, costing us the game.
i'm stuck at support role in solo queue and there's no way i can play my initial role without teaming up.

why the ♥♥♥♥ you have to earn your core role? did they actually think it some kind of privilege to play core?


♥♥♥♥ this update and screw people that come up with this idea.

sorry for swearing, i just can't deal with this anymore.

friends are good

[76561198966993542]

hahaha