Soul Ring as first item on Pudge?

[76561198318720018]

What do you think about buying Soul Ring as first item on Pudge?

+3 Health regeneration
+50% Mana regeneration

+ 150 mana whenever it is needed

If you combine it with Tranquil Boots you should always have enough health to sacrifice for mana.

Tranquil Boots gives you:

+12 Health regeneration
+3 Armor
+85 Movement speed

Together, Soul Ring and Tranquil Boots would give you +15 health regeneration.

The starting items would be:

Tango (cost 125)
Stout Shield (cost 200)
Ring of Protection (cost 175, used for Tranquil Boots later)
Recipe: Soul Ring (cost 125)

Total cost 625, 0 gold left.

Recipe could be bought later if need to buy a courier or wards or something but if you buy it from the start you can buy the rest of the items (Sage's Mask, Ring of Regen) from side shop.

[Kailally]

Pudge already kills himself, and if you buy a soul ring as first item you'll more than likely get killed by anyone you hook. At least wait until you have Tranqs first.

[76561198318720018]

Well you need to play smart with whatever items you use. Usually it is not a good idea to use hook when you have low health. You would not do that with Soul Ring build either. But becuase you would have so much regen you could wait a few seconds to be full health and the do whatever you want.

[Kailally]

tinkering about の投稿を引用：

why the fck would you buy a recipe first it gives nothing until you have the item

Starting with a recipe or buying a recipe before buying the full item is pretty legit if you plan on building it first. That means that you can simply walk over to the side shop or secret shop and complete it there, so you don't have to wait on the courier to fly the recipe out to you.

[76561198318720018]

tinkering about の投稿を引用：

why the fck would you buy a recipe first it gives nothing until you have the item

Well because, if you are using the courier early game, your mid or someone else important than you can not use it.

[Kailally]

Surprise! の投稿を引用：

Well you need to play smart with whatever items you use. Usually it is not a good idea to use hook when you have low health. You would not do that with Soul Ring build either. But becuase you would have so much regen you could wait a few seconds to be full health and the do whatever you want.

Pudge isn't mana intensive at all though. If anything, even a basilius is better on him. Though, the bottle route is truly the best.

[Daniel Potter]

i like soul ring on pudge, but i prefer getting tranquils first. If i don't go mid, i try to get the items that are not in the side shop, like recipes and armor ring.

[Psychotic Man]

If you are a mid pudge (or even side lane pudge), then a bottle is almost always the better item of all the options you have. Proper rune management will let you keep your mana and your health topped up whenever needed.

Urn of Shadows is a better pick than a soul ring I would say. Unlike most ring using heroes, pudge lacks the burst damage needed to properly use soul ring. Except his Q, every other spell of his is damage over time. Soul Ring works on hero that can afford to be on low health (Abbadon) or those who have burst damage which would let them quickly burst down their target before the health loss comes into play (Zeus).

Urn is a better option since it makes Pudge a bit tankier (his health without the passive is very bad for a strength heroes, and early game he won't be that tanky), the mana regen is always appreciated, and the active is always good for a hero who keeps using their own health to kill things.

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tinkering about の投稿を引用：

why the fck would you buy a recipe first it gives nothing until you have the item

I buy recipe first all the time

[Kailally]

here comes Triple Baka の投稿を引用：

tinkering about の投稿を引用：

why the fck would you buy a recipe first it gives nothing until you have the item

I buy recipe first all the time

Well y'see, you probably give bad advice. Because you're a baka.

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KailnoSpaces の投稿を引用：

here comes Triple Baka の投稿を引用：

I buy recipe first all the time

Well y'see, you probably give bad advice. Because you're a baka.

Last two bakas negate baka #1

[TheFinalUknown]

I think it's valid solves most of your mana issues , if you are laning it's really good but don't get it if you're mid

[76561198318720018]

Yeah this build was not meant for a mid Pudge, but for the support/utility/roamer/ganker role. That is also why you would pick up the recipe from start to complete the Soul Ring at the side shop.

I have been experimenting with Pudge quite a lot lately, my own conclusion is that I don't like bottle that much on Pudge when he is not mid. Mainly because your own mid will usually have bottle and you will not always get it refilled. So you will be walking around a lot with no mana or health, you may also have to walk all the way back to the fountain to get health and mana.

With the Soul Ring on the other hand, you could stay in lane, and you could get experience even if you are kind of low on health. Just give it a few seconds and you would have not only restored health but also mana whenever you need it.

Urn of Shadows, it has the same mana regen as Soul Ring, has no health regen, but does give +6 strength. This is just my personal option, but I would rather have mana whenever I need it instead of having it sometime soon.

Mana cost of Hook:

110/120/130/140

With a Soul Ring, you will ALWAYS have enough mana for a hook, because it gives you 150 mana.

Damage of the Hook:

90/180/270/360

Level 1 hook does not do a lot of damage, but from level 2 and up you will be doing decent damege to whoever you hit with your hook.

Cooldowns of the Hook:

14/13/12/11

When your hook is level 2, you will be able to hook every 13 seconds, you will do 180 damage every time, and you will always have enough mana for the hook.

If you had a bottle or Urn of Shadows, you would not be able to throw out as many hooks and have as much of an impact on the game.

[Kailally]

Soul Ring is still not justifiable as your first item. You get it at 4 minutes. Great! Now what?

Your options are: Hook someone, and then do it again in 13 seconds? That's likely to get you killed.
Use it to hook, and then not use it? Great job, you just wasted 775 gold.

Instead, you are better off getting Tranqs first. You have better roaming, and health regen so you can actually use your Soul Ring when you get it.

Or even go Tranqs and Bottle, because there are two runes that spawn every two minutes. You take one, and mid takes one. Heck, depending on mid it is actually smarter for them to cede the rune to you anyway if they are someone like Invoker who isn't terribly rune/bottle dependant.

[Muleganda]

Just do this if you want to do Utility Pudge

Starting Items

- Tango
- Ring of Protection
- Wind Lace
- Branch or Obs Ward (Tho, sometimes better just to save the money for faster boots)

On lane build Tranquils (Since you already have the Ring of Protection just buy if from the sideshop) after the Tranquils make a Urn of Shadows, which will give you the mana regen you need and on top of that higher kill potential with the Soul Release pure damage from the Urn.

If you still dont have enough mana, just buy a mango, its very much worth the cost if it secures a kill for you and way better than Soul ring since it does not damage you on use.

[Y2J]