Which ranged hero is best for beginners?

[george]

After spamming a lot of easier melee heroes, I want to try to play some ranged heroes too, but I don't know where to start. These are the heroes I have got in mind however:
1. Sniper
2. Gyrocopter
3. Drow Ranger
4.Wind Ranger

Which one of these do you think will be easier to start with? Also which among these will be better in a late game hard carry role?

[Samwise Gamgee]

Originalmente postado por WhySoSerious?:

What are your thoughts on gyrocopter? How does he feel to play, and does he scale well into mid-late game?

Out of meta, and not good for beginners.

PS: Like i said b4 viper or u can try razor too.

[[DBH].Whismerhill.{SSgt}]

dota is a strange game in a way.
I mean some heroes are easier to play cause they have less skills, but at the same time they may be harder cause without skills they rely on the player compensating with tactical/strategical knowledge to make the good decisions
here's my list of pro & cons
1. Sniper
- very simple gameplay, only 2 active skills !!!! good for beginners
- very long range good for beginners
- low first few minutes damage : may be hard to last hit, depending on lane
- fragile & has no natural escape or disable which is kind of bad for beginners
- points above make positioning with sniper critical although this may matter less at lower skill ranges
- near instant auto attack easier for last hitting

2. Gyrocopter
- has lots of magical damage
- very short range autoattack
- can have a very good mid game if good farm
- scaling into late game is soso, he can get good items & be efficient but if the opponents carry has the same level of farm, lots of carries can destroy gyro easily
- near instant autoattack easier for last hitting

3. Drow Ranger
- has one of the most powerful slows of the game, which makes killing at low skill level often a breeze
- very popular with inexperienced players, since the slow often makes people retreat, and you can slow them to death often times
- really starts her game at lvl 6.
- can push hard with push heavy picks & other ranged picks
- the action delay between an arrow fired & a player click is kinda long, last hitting needs to be
-use her pushing skill wisely, when you need to counter push any lane, or when you're pushing with your team, do not use in the early laning phase, or it could make you vulnerable to ganks if your lane is too pushed toward enemy tower.


4.Wind Ranger
- very good against physical heroes
- has an escape
- has the potential for some magic damage & lots of physical damage
- has a very good stun which is somewhat situational: e.g. it NEEDS to attach to a tree or hero to be efficient.
- autoattack is not instant but not too slow either imho


So this is it, it's not meant to be comprehensive, just a list of thoughts thrown together. My personnal advice : train against bots a bit, as long as you're aware of their limited AI then it's good to learn the basics of a hero.
also train last hitting a lot, having perfect last hitting makes the difference between a noob carry & a pro carry most often times, of course it depends on your lane & what you're allowed to get away against enemy heroes.

training last hits against bots without trying to take advantage of their limited AI to get kills, is good training too.

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[JshT]

phase boots are better on sniper becuase you shouldnt need the treads to switch to strength unless you are against a qop or slark.

[Ryan Ослинг]

Originalmente postado por WhySoSerious?:

After spamming a lot of easier melee heroes, I want to try to play some ranged heroes too, but I don't know where to start. These are the heroes I have got in mind however:
1. Sniper
2. Gyrocopter
3. Drow Ranger
4.Wind Ranger

Which one of these do you think will be easier to start with? Also which among these will be better in a late game hard carry role?

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[CrackKonoš]

Originalmente postado por graystripe:

drow ranger is not for beginners.

sniper is not a carry hero as the items you need to get for him are plenty.

sniper's build

1) boots (power treads"strength or agility")

2) manta style or silver edge or drum of endurance

3) vlad's offering

4) desolator or eye of skadi (better than chain lightning item and stacks with vlad's offering)
mask of madness, satanic don't stack with desolator

5) butterfly

6) moon shard (this is optional)

sniper is carry imagine sniper without money :/

[CrackKonoš]

Originalmente postado por Vani:

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[MrKleptoman]

Originalmente postado por WhySoSerious?:

After spamming a lot of easier melee heroes, I want to try to play some ranged heroes too, but I don't know where to start. These are the heroes I have got in mind however:
1. Sniper
2. Gyrocopter
3. Drow Ranger
4.Wind Ranger

Which one of these do you think will be easier to start with? Also which among these will be better in a late game hard carry role?

Sniper is pretty hard for beginners as you need a lot of items to be effective and is hard to play especially in this meta. As drow you need to know where to stay in fights so not that ez.

Try: Viper, Luna, Windranger

Originalmente postado por graystripe:

Originalmente postado por TheBrodator:

Well last time I checked, sniper was a carry.

i don't play sniper as carry since he can never be a full carry hero.

the items i get for him are

1) desolator

2) vlad's offering

3) power treads (strength or agility)

4) drum of endurance (this is temporary as i replace it in late game)

......

Sniper is amazingly good carry when 6 slotted for me. Have you tried to siege enemy base against 6 slot sniper? ROFL.
Also drum on sniper? Do you know that drum is trash for agi heroes now and aquila is much better/cheaper? Stopped reading there. Also feel like phase boots are better as it allows you to chase enemy or run away faster.

[cero miedo]

Originalmente postado por WhySoSerious?:

What are your thoughts on gyrocopter? How does he feel to play, and does he scale well into mid-late game?

Gyro is the worst hero on par with wr right now